Or, since the ancient people of Israel were desert dwelling people, saw a fucking peacock from the jungles of Asia that was brought in by merchants and so they got high in their temple from breathing incense herbs all day and wrote about it.
The accounts are consistent over a timeframe of about three thousand years, counting from Abraham to Mohammed (s.a.s). Note that Mohammed was an arab who could neither read nor write, leave alone hebrew.
If it was just some birds brought in by merchants that would be an extraordinarily long time to not realise that.
As always, people who could read, read religious texts for people who cannot. There’s no coincidence, just telling and retelling of stories once made up way before.
So an Arab who lived in a city where Pagan believes dominated and neither read nor write was read the Torah in hebrew that he didn’t understand? And that is how he made statementes consistent with the descriptions in hebrew, which again he didn’t understand?
By that time Christianity existed, and most of the Middle East was the Roman empire. It’s not far fetched. The old testament of Christianity is basically the Torah texts freely translated and somewhat changed, and Christianity was by that time, thanks to constantine, the most widely spread religion in the Roman empire. It’s not a miracle or a coincidence. People traveled then, too. It’s about as far fetched as an American-born Buddhist these days. Not common, but it happens.
In fact, the silk road has existed for centuries, if not millenia by then. If they can trade with places as far as China, it’s not far fetched for a religion proven to be inspired by both Judaism and Christianity to have traveled a little over the Roman empire’s borders.
Edit: also Judaism was common in and out of the Roman empire too
Then why are Christian depictions of Angels strongly different from the biblical and quranic descriptions? I.e. looking at the paintings and statues in Rome.
Also then the prophet Mohammed would have needed some sort of elusive Jewish or Christian mentor, that somehow was close to him all the time over two decades, reading the Torah or Bible to him. But no such figure is mentioned, despite the life of Mohammed to be about the best reported on life of a historical figure. There is countless of eyewitness reports about his life and work, yet there is no mention of such a person. The Quran strictly rejects the concept of trinity or Jesus being the literal son of god, but confirms the virgin pregnancy of Mary. So it seems extremely implausible for their to be a Christian who would have told all these things to Mohammed.
The reason why i am so pedantic about it, is because the statements made by Mohammed are not just some general “there is angels with wings and stuff” or “there was this Moses guy” statements, but sharing details with the Torah descriptions in Hebrew, but also distinctly differing on some aspects with the Torah in a consistent way. For instance the differences in the story of Moses or Abraham
As far as I know, the biblical description of angels are in line with the Torah and in extention with the Quran. The babies with angel wings is in comparison a very new concept. Depicted long after the Bible was written.
But you seem deeply invested in this religion, which is fine by me, but I am not. I see the similarities and just presume that whoever wrote the book read the others. I’m not saying I am right or wrong, or that you are. All I’m saying that the similarities are very much possible and, in my opinion, very probable in a non-religious sense.
Even religions before monotheism are very much alike,and probably stem from the same root. I don’t see anyone pushing for godly intervention or prophecies for that. But in all probability, the coincidence in that are probably similar to the coincidence in the Islam.
Or, since the ancient people of Israel were desert dwelling people, saw a fucking peacock from the jungles of Asia that was brought in by merchants and so they got high in their temple from breathing incense herbs all day and wrote about it.
Occams Razor.
“Mustafa keeps this powerful messenger of heaven in a small wooden cage. Huh.” Shrugs.
The accounts are consistent over a timeframe of about three thousand years, counting from Abraham to Mohammed (s.a.s). Note that Mohammed was an arab who could neither read nor write, leave alone hebrew.
If it was just some birds brought in by merchants that would be an extraordinarily long time to not realise that.
As always, people who could read, read religious texts for people who cannot. There’s no coincidence, just telling and retelling of stories once made up way before.
And those stories didn’t change over 3.000 years?
They wrote it down, Monks (or the religion’s equivalent) copied them. Religious leaders read them aloud. It’s not hard to understand.
So an Arab who lived in a city where Pagan believes dominated and neither read nor write was read the Torah in hebrew that he didn’t understand? And that is how he made statementes consistent with the descriptions in hebrew, which again he didn’t understand?
By that time Christianity existed, and most of the Middle East was the Roman empire. It’s not far fetched. The old testament of Christianity is basically the Torah texts freely translated and somewhat changed, and Christianity was by that time, thanks to constantine, the most widely spread religion in the Roman empire. It’s not a miracle or a coincidence. People traveled then, too. It’s about as far fetched as an American-born Buddhist these days. Not common, but it happens.
In fact, the silk road has existed for centuries, if not millenia by then. If they can trade with places as far as China, it’s not far fetched for a religion proven to be inspired by both Judaism and Christianity to have traveled a little over the Roman empire’s borders.
Edit: also Judaism was common in and out of the Roman empire too
Then why are Christian depictions of Angels strongly different from the biblical and quranic descriptions? I.e. looking at the paintings and statues in Rome.
Also then the prophet Mohammed would have needed some sort of elusive Jewish or Christian mentor, that somehow was close to him all the time over two decades, reading the Torah or Bible to him. But no such figure is mentioned, despite the life of Mohammed to be about the best reported on life of a historical figure. There is countless of eyewitness reports about his life and work, yet there is no mention of such a person. The Quran strictly rejects the concept of trinity or Jesus being the literal son of god, but confirms the virgin pregnancy of Mary. So it seems extremely implausible for their to be a Christian who would have told all these things to Mohammed.
The reason why i am so pedantic about it, is because the statements made by Mohammed are not just some general “there is angels with wings and stuff” or “there was this Moses guy” statements, but sharing details with the Torah descriptions in Hebrew, but also distinctly differing on some aspects with the Torah in a consistent way. For instance the differences in the story of Moses or Abraham
As far as I know, the biblical description of angels are in line with the Torah and in extention with the Quran. The babies with angel wings is in comparison a very new concept. Depicted long after the Bible was written.
But you seem deeply invested in this religion, which is fine by me, but I am not. I see the similarities and just presume that whoever wrote the book read the others. I’m not saying I am right or wrong, or that you are. All I’m saying that the similarities are very much possible and, in my opinion, very probable in a non-religious sense.
Even religions before monotheism are very much alike,and probably stem from the same root. I don’t see anyone pushing for godly intervention or prophecies for that. But in all probability, the coincidence in that are probably similar to the coincidence in the Islam.