although there can be hard paradigms that are wrong and were still taught, isn’t creation-smuggling into textbooks still a thing? In < 100 yrs people will laugh at those of us that believe other than biological natural selection evolution over billions of years
What is it that you are disputimg? The fact that CFC leads to Ozone depletion? Or the fact that it is possible for the person in the tweet to know that?
I’m disputing the confidence with which you people assert your secondhand truths and persecute unbelievers. You are behaving like cattle, herded by a glowing screen.
The vast majority of scientists who are experts in the field, all across the globe, all looking at the data, providing their evidence to each other to either challenge or support, all agreeing on what’s happening.
It’s not being a sheep to look at this and realize that what that group is saying is probably right and that you, as a layman, should probably accept what they are saying. That’s actually the opposite of being a sheep, it’s being objective and reasonable.
Unless you’re out doing the actual research yourself, like gathering the data, designing the studies, and then analyzing the results, you’re just a sheep too in the same exact way. You’re just making an irrational decision about which sheepherder to follow.
We aren’t talking about marrying anyone, but rationally and objectively determining what is the most likely outcome.
By not trying to figure out what’s right, sure you’re not a sheep, you’re just a non thinking rock. Why anyone would think that’s better, I don’t know.
If you’re just picking and choosing whatever you want to be true, that’s also as equally thoughtless. If you aren’t doing that, then you’re still just following the sheepherder if you aren’t doing the research yourself.
It’s fun that there’s always a “meme” to reply to your nonsense with that fits because your argument in this situation is ridiculous and others have already created media to chastise it as such.
OF COURSE YOU DONT JUST BLINDLY BELIEVE EVERYTHING FRIENDO.
Expertise is a thing though, and in this case the topic has been thoroughly discussed and studied. Not sure why you picked this conversation to jump in with your “ah HA! You took it as faith, the same faith people put in the Bible! They didn’t see the facts first hand and neither did you! So I have a Big Brain™ and you’re just a sheep!”
You’re trying to make a point, but you’re going about it in literally the worst way. Right now all of your responses to pretty much everyone here are aggressive and insulting. That’s 100% self serving. It makes you feel good but fails at what you’re attempting to do. The first thing that happens when people are confronted with being insulted or being talked down to is to “close” their minds to what you’re trying to say and to get defensive.
If after reading this your reaction is “that’s a you problem,” then you don’t actually care about whatever point you were trying to make and you’re just trying to make yourself feel smarter than everyone else.
That’s 100% self serving. It makes you feel good but fails at what you’re attempting to do.
I would argue that it’s pretty obvious their whole point is to feel good about themselves, as all they’ve done is put other people down in a way that they are “clearly” above, and haven’t even bothered to make any type of point what-so-ever.
If I’m being generous the point seemed to be “don’t blindly trust what you hear from anyone, even if they have credentials. Make an effort to understand.”
I can understand that point to a degree, as we saw there were plenty of Dr.Oz types have have a doctorate in… something… and people choose to believe them because they say the things you want to hear like “screw the Gates tracking vaccine, ivermectin is proven to work! (Just hope they don’t ask what my doctorate is in, it’s children’s literature.)”
But yeah, their delivery has a lot to be desired lol
…there’s a reason why we trust expertise. Don’t be “Guy on Internet.”
although there can be hard paradigms that are wrong and were still taught, isn’t creation-smuggling into textbooks still a thing? In < 100 yrs people will laugh at those of us that believe other than biological natural selection evolution over billions of years
But you don’t know any of that either. You just trust the talking head. You’re going on pure theater.
You people have all the epistemological rigor of 12th century villagers.
What is it that you are disputimg? The fact that CFC leads to Ozone depletion? Or the fact that it is possible for the person in the tweet to know that?
I’m disputing the confidence with which you people assert your secondhand truths and persecute unbelievers. You are behaving like cattle, herded by a glowing screen.
Right… so your issue isn’t with the facts as they are stated. You too are not disputing those facts, am i right?
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Thanks, i am putting effort into that.
The vast majority of scientists who are experts in the field, all across the globe, all looking at the data, providing their evidence to each other to either challenge or support, all agreeing on what’s happening.
It’s not being a sheep to look at this and realize that what that group is saying is probably right and that you, as a layman, should probably accept what they are saying. That’s actually the opposite of being a sheep, it’s being objective and reasonable.
Yes, in the ideal world, the sheepherders are wise friends and behaving as a sheep (let’s not quibble) is the winning strategy.
But I dislike sheep.
Unless you’re out doing the actual research yourself, like gathering the data, designing the studies, and then analyzing the results, you’re just a sheep too in the same exact way. You’re just making an irrational decision about which sheepherder to follow.
That’s definitely an option
Another option is a little of all three, marrying none.
We aren’t talking about marrying anyone, but rationally and objectively determining what is the most likely outcome.
By not trying to figure out what’s right, sure you’re not a sheep, you’re just a non thinking rock. Why anyone would think that’s better, I don’t know.
If you’re just picking and choosing whatever you want to be true, that’s also as equally thoughtless. If you aren’t doing that, then you’re still just following the sheepherder if you aren’t doing the research yourself.
Just a quick fyi, you are functionally a solipsist. Please tell people that in the beginning, so they know not to waste their time
Ow, my ego
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgk8UdV7GQ0
It’s fun that there’s always a “meme” to reply to your nonsense with that fits because your argument in this situation is ridiculous and others have already created media to chastise it as such.
OF COURSE YOU DONT JUST BLINDLY BELIEVE EVERYTHING FRIENDO.
Expertise is a thing though, and in this case the topic has been thoroughly discussed and studied. Not sure why you picked this conversation to jump in with your “ah HA! You took it as faith, the same faith people put in the Bible! They didn’t see the facts first hand and neither did you! So I have a Big Brain™ and you’re just a sheep!”
Expertise is a thing? Really? Well now I have seen the light.
Thank you for stooping to aid this pitiful worm, in his confusion. You truly are a kind and generous soul.
But really. You people act like 12th century Christian zealots about this stuff.
I can offer some actual help.
You’re trying to make a point, but you’re going about it in literally the worst way. Right now all of your responses to pretty much everyone here are aggressive and insulting. That’s 100% self serving. It makes you feel good but fails at what you’re attempting to do. The first thing that happens when people are confronted with being insulted or being talked down to is to “close” their minds to what you’re trying to say and to get defensive.
If after reading this your reaction is “that’s a you problem,” then you don’t actually care about whatever point you were trying to make and you’re just trying to make yourself feel smarter than everyone else.
My responses could have had more tact as well.
I would argue that it’s pretty obvious their whole point is to feel good about themselves, as all they’ve done is put other people down in a way that they are “clearly” above, and haven’t even bothered to make any type of point what-so-ever.
If I’m being generous the point seemed to be “don’t blindly trust what you hear from anyone, even if they have credentials. Make an effort to understand.”
I can understand that point to a degree, as we saw there were plenty of Dr.Oz types have have a doctorate in… something… and people choose to believe them because they say the things you want to hear like “screw the Gates tracking vaccine, ivermectin is proven to work! (Just hope they don’t ask what my doctorate is in, it’s children’s literature.)”
But yeah, their delivery has a lot to be desired lol
I start nice then my disgust starts outweighing my reason and it’s downhill.
Then the patronizing vultures swoop in.