Do you think that’s because democratic voters are biologically less likely to vote, or could it be that the DNC is doing a poor job of energizing the base?
Fuck the GOP, of course, but they are absolutely pushing for fascism, and getting fascist policies through, which excites their fascist base.
The DNC has been pushing for tepid liberalism for decades, and when there hasn’t been sign of genuine positive change at tangible levels, the DNC will lose voters.
If you can blame voters for not voting, you can blame the party for failing to grab voters as well. It’s a two-way street.
or could it be that the DNC is doing a poor job of energizing the base?
You are not the DNC base. You are the fringe. The DNC base is Black, especially Black women. Plus college educated white women. The DNC base likes tepid liberalism, and they vote in EVERY election. That’s what makes them the base.
You don’t have to alienate your core to appeal more to others. The DNC core decreasingly likes tepid liberalism, which is why backlash against the DNC is growing.
If the DNC isn’t actively trying to gain votes, then it’s their fault as well for losing votes. Being not as bad as the other guy is not a platform to energize a base, and is why Hillary lost.
No, the DNC supports the interests of Capitalists, because that’s their donor base. That’s why they appeal to Capitalists, and feign progressive support.
If leftist votes aren’t worth it, then you are making the terrible argument in favor of leftists voting third party, if they aren’t needed.
The base getting more leftist does not mean more leftist candidates will be placed by the DNC.
If all the DNC cared about was money, they would be the GOP.
If leftist votes aren’t worth it, then you are making the terrible argument in favor of leftists voting third party, if they aren’t needed.
I’m trying to convince leftists to shut the fuck up and stop risking the giant mass of woefully uninformed voters who swing elections. Also ridiculing you for the stupidity of your takes, but that’s just because it’s fun, I’ve given up hope of dissuading you from stupidity. You cling to stupidity as much as MAGA. I just don’t want your stupidity to infect the low information independent voters.
The DNC is a Capitalist party that is bought and paid for by their donors, of course they care about money. That’s how Liberal Democracy is set up, as long as you have Capitalism and Democracy, the ruling parties will serve Capital before people.
Secondly, I truly do pity you. You’re a confident conservative that spends most of their time complaining and whining about leftists, yet also expecting them to agree with your terrible takes just because you aren’t an outright fascist. You’re absolutely terrible at convincing leftists to vote for liberals, and try to take the moral and intellectual high ground every time someone proves you wrong for it and you start malding, like right now.
I don’t expect you to agree with me, because you’re all idiots. I think it’s fair for you to at least ally with me against the fascists, but maybe you’re too stupid to even do that.
We don’t elect Democrats to legislate based on what Republicans might do. The real reason Democrats consider the Jim Crow Filibuster to be more important than the lives and rights of pregnant patients is that if the Jim Crow Filibuster goes away, they lose their procedural excuse for breaking campaign promises that they never intended to even try to keep.
Fair enough. Guess we’ll just deal with a deliberately useless party with no ambitions greater than “don’t lose” until they eventually lose anyway and we get the fascism they didn’t bother to do anything to stop except temporarily occupying offices in its way.
But in the meantime, you get to pretend you’re moral when you demand unquestioning fealty to a guy who supports genocide.
until they eventually lose anyway and we get the fascism they didn’t bother to do anything to stop except temporarily occupying offices in its way.
You: we’re gonna eventually get fascism anyway, so why not today?
I dunno, maybe because every electoral cycle that you aren’t under fascism is still better than being under it? Like if nothing else, you’re keeping the status quo that isn’t them executing political rivals and doing mass deportations for a time. I’d argue even if they’ve accomplished nothing else that is obviously better.
You: we’re gonna eventually get fascism anyway, so why not today?
That’s not what I said. I was saying that maybe Democrats should try actually moving the needle away from fascism instead of being content with temporarily slowing it’s rightward motion.
This naturally offended you because you never want the status quo to improve, just get worse more slowly.
Doesn’t offend me at all, because I don’t live in fantasy land. You were implying that filling the seat and keeping the status quo is worthless, but it isn’t.
It’s honestly odd to me that people like yourself that claim to believe that Trump signals actual fascism seem relatively ok with the prospect that he could win. It’s not the status quo couch potatoes that are the first in front of the firing squad if fascism gets empowered, it’s the organizers and the protestors. It’s the “leftists” you claim to be part of. Dude wanted to shoot protestors in his last stint in office and people like yourself are basically fine with his return.
Accelerationism is fucking stupid.
In addition to that point (that’s very supported historically) accelerationism doesn’t even accelerate the advent of “true leftism” or whatever. Mussolini stayed in power for decades. The odds of “the left” winning some kind of actual war in this country without the support of industry, the military, or the police are pathetically small.
But sure, don’t vote and shit talk Biden cuz that’ll get us gay space communism in 2024. 🥱
And not ENOUGH people voted for democrats.
“I personally voted for a Democrat, how come they don’t have a supermajority in Congress??” well Katelyghnn, not enough of your friends voted.
Do you think that’s because democratic voters are biologically less likely to vote, or could it be that the DNC is doing a poor job of energizing the base?
Fuck the GOP, of course, but they are absolutely pushing for fascism, and getting fascist policies through, which excites their fascist base.
The DNC has been pushing for tepid liberalism for decades, and when there hasn’t been sign of genuine positive change at tangible levels, the DNC will lose voters.
If you can blame voters for not voting, you can blame the party for failing to grab voters as well. It’s a two-way street.
You are not the DNC base. You are the fringe. The DNC base is Black, especially Black women. Plus college educated white women. The DNC base likes tepid liberalism, and they vote in EVERY election. That’s what makes them the base.
You don’t have to alienate your core to appeal more to others. The DNC core decreasingly likes tepid liberalism, which is why backlash against the DNC is growing.
If the DNC isn’t actively trying to gain votes, then it’s their fault as well for losing votes. Being not as bad as the other guy is not a platform to energize a base, and is why Hillary lost.
The DNC wants to do exactly what you said, not alienate their base. They don’t want to risk losing strong supporters to maybe gain flaky supporters.
Leftist votes are just not worth enough when they threaten liberal votes.
Although you’re right, the base is getting more leftist. That’s the angle you guys should be playing, not this absolutist purity testing crap.
No, the DNC supports the interests of Capitalists, because that’s their donor base. That’s why they appeal to Capitalists, and feign progressive support.
If leftist votes aren’t worth it, then you are making the terrible argument in favor of leftists voting third party, if they aren’t needed.
The base getting more leftist does not mean more leftist candidates will be placed by the DNC.
You’re hilariously off-base and out of touch.
If all the DNC cared about was money, they would be the GOP.
I’m trying to convince leftists to shut the fuck up and stop risking the giant mass of woefully uninformed voters who swing elections. Also ridiculing you for the stupidity of your takes, but that’s just because it’s fun, I’ve given up hope of dissuading you from stupidity. You cling to stupidity as much as MAGA. I just don’t want your stupidity to infect the low information independent voters.
The DNC is a Capitalist party that is bought and paid for by their donors, of course they care about money. That’s how Liberal Democracy is set up, as long as you have Capitalism and Democracy, the ruling parties will serve Capital before people.
Secondly, I truly do pity you. You’re a confident conservative that spends most of their time complaining and whining about leftists, yet also expecting them to agree with your terrible takes just because you aren’t an outright fascist. You’re absolutely terrible at convincing leftists to vote for liberals, and try to take the moral and intellectual high ground every time someone proves you wrong for it and you start malding, like right now.
I don’t expect you to agree with me, because you’re all idiots. I think it’s fair for you to at least ally with me against the fascists, but maybe you’re too stupid to even do that.
They got a majority and chose not to use it. They don’t need a supermajority to do away with the filibuster forever.
That’s a one way door that could backfire. I can understand them not wanting to open that particular Pandora’s Box.
We don’t elect Democrats to legislate based on what Republicans might do. The real reason Democrats consider the Jim Crow Filibuster to be more important than the lives and rights of pregnant patients is that if the Jim Crow Filibuster goes away, they lose their procedural excuse for breaking campaign promises that they never intended to even try to keep.
We absolutely do, what are you talking about? That’s probably the biggest reason Biden was even elected. Because of what Trump might do.
Fair enough. Guess we’ll just deal with a deliberately useless party with no ambitions greater than “don’t lose” until they eventually lose anyway and we get the fascism they didn’t bother to do anything to stop except temporarily occupying offices in its way.
But in the meantime, you get to pretend you’re moral when you demand unquestioning fealty to a guy who supports genocide.
You: we’re gonna eventually get fascism anyway, so why not today?
I dunno, maybe because every electoral cycle that you aren’t under fascism is still better than being under it? Like if nothing else, you’re keeping the status quo that isn’t them executing political rivals and doing mass deportations for a time. I’d argue even if they’ve accomplished nothing else that is obviously better.
That’s not what I said. I was saying that maybe Democrats should try actually moving the needle away from fascism instead of being content with temporarily slowing it’s rightward motion.
This naturally offended you because you never want the status quo to improve, just get worse more slowly.
Doesn’t offend me at all, because I don’t live in fantasy land. You were implying that filling the seat and keeping the status quo is worthless, but it isn’t.
It’s honestly odd to me that people like yourself that claim to believe that Trump signals actual fascism seem relatively ok with the prospect that he could win. It’s not the status quo couch potatoes that are the first in front of the firing squad if fascism gets empowered, it’s the organizers and the protestors. It’s the “leftists” you claim to be part of. Dude wanted to shoot protestors in his last stint in office and people like yourself are basically fine with his return.
Accelerationism is fucking stupid.
In addition to that point (that’s very supported historically) accelerationism doesn’t even accelerate the advent of “true leftism” or whatever. Mussolini stayed in power for decades. The odds of “the left” winning some kind of actual war in this country without the support of industry, the military, or the police are pathetically small.
But sure, don’t vote and shit talk Biden cuz that’ll get us gay space communism in 2024. 🥱
If more people voted for them and not for actual literal Nazi fascism, then we could reorient our priorities away from “save democracy”.
If fascism was reduced to the fringe party it deserves, then the process of improving people’s lives would be much easier.
They had the opportunity to do that, and chose the filibuster instead. More Democrats in the senate just means we’ll find a few more no votes.
You guys are totally just MAGAs painted blue. This is just a rephrasing of the whole “deep state” thing.