• Nicholas Schiller
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    206 months ago

    @wintermute_oregon @FlyingSquid At very least, Verhoven’s film was one of the most point by point perfect parodies of fascism we’ve ever seen. The original novel, IIRC, was written out of terrified nuclear paranoia and very sincere in its genocidal authoritarianism.

    • @Pronell
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      6 months ago

      I’ve never seen it that way - the opening pages say what the protagonist is doing. He’s landing on a planet to kill bugs, using all his ammo and nukes even though there are sentient beings living on the planet.

      All because it isn’t cost effective to evacuate the ammo as well.

      Immediately following that we move to the viewpoint of the teenager being brainwashed.

      As such I think the movie did a decent job of adapting the story, even though we lost those awesome mechs and dropships.

      • Clay_pidgin
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        56 months ago

        Boy have I got news for you- Starship Troopers3: Marauder has mechs. I haven’t seen the next three movies/serieses.

        • @Pronell
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          36 months ago

          Ah, I’ve never seen any of the sequels. Might check it out, thanks.

          • @redhorsejacket
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            46 months ago

            Only do so if you have high tolerance for bad filmmaking. I’ve seen the live action sequels, and they are BAD. The second film feels like an unrelated script that got attached to the IP for name recognition. As I recall, it’s dull, poorly acted, ugly, and cheap. The third film does lean into the IP, complete with satirical propaganda gags and, yes, mech suits make an appearance. However, my recollection of the rest of the movie is that it is dull, poorly acted, ugly, and cheap, but less so than the second.

            If you enjoy Sci Fi Channel original movies from the early 00s, these movies are birds of a feather with those.

            • @Pronell
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              16 months ago

              I honestly don’t have the time to watch all the shit I want to anyway, so it’s a long shot.

              • @redhorsejacket
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                26 months ago

                Fair. I felt I should jump in and provide some more context than the other poster for exactly that reason. The worst thing a movie can be to me is dull, and those sequels qualify, in my opinion.

      • NielsBohron
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        In his memoir I, Asimov, Isaac Asimov wrote chapters about his contemporaries and apparently Heinlein was notorious for changing his political convictions based on who he was married to/sleeping with at the time. Hence, free-love hippie in Stranger in a Strange World and boot-licking war-hawk in Starship Troopers.

        • @DaMonsterKnees
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          56 months ago

          Interesting, thanks for the info, and great name! I found a first edition of his in a basement bookstore in Switzerland as a teen. Totally random, I know.

          • NielsBohron
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            26 months ago

            Interesting, thanks for the info

            No problem! Obviously, I like talking about this stuff. And if you’re interested, I’d also recommend reading the whole book. It’s pretty fascinating, although in his reminiscing and pontificating, Asimov does get a little “get off my lawn” for my taste at times.

            great name! I found a first edition of his in a basement bookstore in Switzerland as a teen. Totally random, I know.

            Thanks! And it’s not too random, I’d say; we’re in a sci-fi forum talking about historical sci-fi writers, many of whom were also trained as scientists, after all.

      • Tar_Alcaran
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        96 months ago

        Heinlein changed his mind.

        There are 7 years between Starship Troopers and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, during which the world didn’t end or devolve into anarchy.

        That’s a long time to think about something, especially if you do so by writing an entire book about the theme.

        • @[email protected]
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          26 months ago

          Well, then there’s what he said in the form letter above, that the views expressed in fiction aren’t necessarily those of the author in real life.