UN Security Council passes resolution calling for an "immediate ceasefire" in Gaza, as US shifts position by abstaining from vote

UN Security Council passes resolution calling for an “immediate ceasefire” in Gaza, as US shifts position by abstaining from vote

  • @soratoyukiEnglish
    99•9 months ago

    So the months of coordinated efforts to by activists to disrupt Democratic meetings, harass Democratic politicians, chant genocide Joe, vote uncommitted in primaries, block traffic, support BDS efforts etc. was actually an effective method of protest that had a small but meaningful effect in changing foreign policy?

    The methods of protest the state wants us to think are successful and the methods that can actually succeed are usually not the same. Please take note.

    • @Cornelius_WangenheimEnglish
      21•9 months ago

      And will they reward Biden for listening or reinforce the idea that there’s no point trying to please the progressive left by finding some other reason to get upset and not vote?

      • @assassin_aragornEnglish
        25•9 months ago

        I think there’s two sides to this. Criticizers shouldn’t suddenly fall in line because we’ve made progress, but they also shouldn’t pretend that nothing’s happened.

        The right answer is to give credit to Biden for listening this much, and continue to push for more. I agree though that overall, this action should earn him more progressive votes – just not all of them, and not with all criticism disappearing.

        • @assassin_aragornEnglish
          12•9 months ago

          I don’t think the progressive left is why Hillary lost. Certainly, people choosing not to vote because she was centrist had an impact, but I don’t think there were really enough “Bernie or bust” folks to be solely responsible. You actually had a higher percentage of Bernie voters going for Hillary in 2016 than you did Hilary voters going for Obama in 2008.

          You had like five different factors and a pretty tight final margin. No one factor was responsible. Comey’s letter, Hilary being center, Russian meddling, online misinformation – all of it is partially but not wholly responsible.

            • @assassin_aragornEnglish
              4•9 months ago

              Ah, you must be a “progressive” who cares more about being right and owning the libs than actually advancing a progressive agenda. I much prefer prioritizing progressive goals and making progress towards them. This UN resolution is a step, and Netanyahu’s petulant reaction to it only makes it more likely that we take more right steps in the future. I’ll continue to celebrate those and hope Biden moves in the right direction, instead of scoffing about “how I was right” in 2016.

              And for that matter, I seem to recall a lot of “progressives” saying Biden would lose in 2020 and Democrats would be destroyed in 2022 – yet, i don’t see you mentioning those predictions. You’ve only got 1 out of 3 right there. I’m sure however in 2026, regardless of how this year goes, you’ll still mention how you were right about 2016, won’t you?

            • NatanaelEnglish
              2•9 months ago

              Hillary still got the popular vote, it’s gerrymandering and voter suppression bullshit that caused the loss more than anything

            • bobalotEnglish
              -2•9 months ago

              Yeah, but Sanders wouldn’t win either.

              He couldn’t even beat Hillary Clinton.

              If it wasn’t for the undemocratic caucuses, he would have lost earlier.

              And before someone says it, it wasn’t “rigged”. Sanders lost by millions of votes.

              The electorate isn’t as progressive as the echo chambers on Lemmy and Reddit are.

        • @eskimofryEnglish
          3•9 months ago

          Not stabbing someone is better than stabbing them half way through and calling it a balanced view

    • @mkwtEnglish
      6•9 months ago

      There’s a flip side to the politics: criticism from the right-wing pro-Israel faction is quieter than usual because a separate group of anti-semites have gained power in the Republican party.

      Normally, Biden wouldn’t have much incentive listen much to the far left, but right now he’s not paying much in costs from the other side.

      • @gastationsushiEnglish
        2•9 months ago

        Normally Biden wouldn’t have much incentive to listen to millions of his voters during an election year?

        DC brainrot has entered the chat.

        • @mkwtEnglish
          5•9 months ago

          No, he really doesn’t, because of winner takes all elections and the two party system. The Nash equilibrium is for both major party candidates to align their platforms right on the 50% median voter. This maximizes the votes for both of them.

          In this specific upcoming general election, Biden’s base voters have nowhere to go to except the Cheeto fascist. Not much reason to cater to their policy preferences–they don’t have a real choice. That’s been reflected in the chatter on Lemmy as well.

          • @gastationsushiEnglish
            2•9 months ago

            You understand there is no such thing as a median voter. They are only issues and most voters have one or two issues they won’t compromise on. Biden is alienating younger and Muslim voters. If Biden was converting 1+ Trump voter for every voter he loses, you might have a point. But there is no evidence he is netting votes from this. That makes no sense in an election that’s fighting against authoritarianism.

            Why can’t we agree Biden that needs to go all out to win this thing?