This formula means, generally speaking, that the shipowner is entitled to limit his liability for the negligence of the master or crew, but not for his own personal negligence or that of his managerial personnel.
Does this mean, if the captain fucks up their liability is limited, but if the accident is caused due to systematic poor maintenance maybe not?
[IANAL]To a degree yes, this is why they love to find human error, it gets them covered by their insurance and limits the liability. Systemic issues that can be proven to come from the office would open them up. This is all before we get into shell companies and vessel charters .
Does this mean, if the captain fucks up their liability is limited, but if the accident is caused due to systematic poor maintenance maybe not?
I think so, yes. It makes sense and is likely to apply here. IIRC, some article report that the ship lost power twice right before all this happened. Assuming that’s a direct cause, the whole mess may wind up with a deep investigation to understand if the crew or shipping company is at fault.
I also looked up what that means for the pilot. While the pilot works for the harbor, they are acting as a part of the crew when on ship. So outside of insubordination or gross negligence, the harbor and/or pilot take no liability here.
Yeah, I skipped all video of this thing because there were people on that bridge. Some links just need to stay un-clicked. But that’s good to know, thank you.
I interpreted “power” as “propulsion”, but I suppose a ship-wide blackout could do that too.
No, you can literally watch the lights go out and since the electric power comes from the engine, that likely means they lost the engine, especially considering that puff of black smoke, the lights coming back on, then dark again.
But what does that signify in the context of the scenario in question?
Powering everything down and bringing it back up sounds like an emergency last ditch sort of troubleshooting step, not necessarily some evidence of negligence. They may have just literally done the thing we all know to do first, try turning it off and on again, and they may have done it twice just to be sure.
Interesting.
Does this mean, if the captain fucks up their liability is limited, but if the accident is caused due to systematic poor maintenance maybe not?
[IANAL]To a degree yes, this is why they love to find human error, it gets them covered by their insurance and limits the liability. Systemic issues that can be proven to come from the office would open them up. This is all before we get into shell companies and vessel charters .
I think so, yes. It makes sense and is likely to apply here. IIRC, some article report that the ship lost power twice right before all this happened. Assuming that’s a direct cause, the whole mess may wind up with a deep investigation to understand if the crew or shipping company is at fault.
I also looked up what that means for the pilot. While the pilot works for the harbor, they are acting as a part of the crew when on ship. So outside of insubordination or gross negligence, the harbor and/or pilot take no liability here.
Yeah I remember reading about this during the ever given thing. If the pilot fucks up the ship’s owner is still first cock on the block.
You can just watch the video. All the lights go out twice.
Yeah, I skipped all video of this thing because there were people on that bridge. Some links just need to stay un-clicked. But that’s good to know, thank you.
I interpreted “power” as “propulsion”, but I suppose a ship-wide blackout could do that too.
I won’t tell you what to do, but I watched the video, and I couldn’t tell that any people were on the bridge.
I wouldn’t have known anyone was even on it to get hurt except for all the news coverage.
Power could also be electrical power and propulsion could be engine power.
Source: the name of my division at work is called Power and Propulsion
Like on star trek. Love it.
No, you can literally watch the lights go out and since the electric power comes from the engine, that likely means they lost the engine, especially considering that puff of black smoke, the lights coming back on, then dark again.
But what does that signify in the context of the scenario in question?
Powering everything down and bringing it back up sounds like an emergency last ditch sort of troubleshooting step, not necessarily some evidence of negligence. They may have just literally done the thing we all know to do first, try turning it off and on again, and they may have done it twice just to be sure.