• Remmock
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    -239 months ago

    I’ll be doing my civic duty by not voting. Voting is supposed to be about picking the candidate I want. Well, I don’t want either of these two candidates, and I won’t stand for the DNC rubbing its greedy little fingers together in the background, making deals and concessions with whomever they have to in order to push their candidate of choice.

    Biden has done some good things. Honestly more than I expected. This does not now, nor has it ever, and nor will it ever give the DNC carte blanche to manipulate the primaries from the shadows to choose their preferred candidate to represent the party in a wide-open field of two people once every four years.

    You want someone to blame for the fact that you’re all sweating bullets about how this election turns out? Look to the DNC when you want to point fingers, not the people who they’re trying to sucker into voting for the damage control option every four years.

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      “Please don’t blame me for standing by as fascists ascend to power, I don’t want to take responsibility for my actions”

      Voting is supposed to be about picking the candidate I want.

      Voting is about using your power as a citizen to improve the country. Civic duty - not a popularity contest.

      • archomrade [he/him]
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        -79 months ago

        Voting is about using your power as a citizen to improve the country

        Then don’t fucking complain when people do it.

        • PugJesus
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          149 months ago

          Then don’t fucking complain when people do it.

          Putting fascists in power is improving the country? Wow. This is some brave new form of leftism, I guess, that I’m just too right-wing to understand.

          • archomrade [he/him]
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            -59 months ago

            Making white liberals uncomfortable enough to bring them to the table to negotiate by threatening not to cast a ballot for them is certainly improving things.

              • archomrade [he/him]
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                -59 months ago

                You can laugh -god knows we all need something to laugh at- but look at how fucking irate y’all get about it.

                • PugJesus
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                  109 months ago

                  Yeah, we get so irate about the prospect of fascism. Silly us. We should be like the REAL enlightened leftists, and cheer fascism’s rise on.

      • @FlexibleToast
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        “Please don’t blame me for standing by as fascists ascend to power, I don’t want to take responsibility for my actions”

        He’s not the one standing by. It’s the DNC that chose the only candidate that could lose to Trump because they feel he is entitled to it. Just like they chose Hillary in 2016 because it was “her time.” These are losses brought on by themselves that affects everyone. Don’t be mad at the voters, be mad at the party that is struggling to beat an insurrectionist with multiple ongoing criminal court cases.

        • PugJesus
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          139 months ago

          Just like they chose Hillary in 2016 because it was “her time.”

          … do you not remember that Hillary was elected in the primary?

          Jesus fucking Christ.

          Signed, a 2016 and 2020 Bernie voter.

          • @FlexibleToast
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            Yes, I remember the super delegates that they got rid of because they were used to tip the scales and the DNC giving Hillary the debate questions before the debates so she could be extra prepared.

            Also a 2016 and 2020 Bernie voter and donor.

            • PugJesus
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              Yes, I remember the super delegates that they got rid of because they were used to tip the scales

              Clearly you don’t remember, since Hillary won the greater number of elected delegates, and the ‘Super Delegates’ only ended up relevant as a Hail Mary pass for the Bernie campaign.

              • @FlexibleToast
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                Clearly you don’t remember, since Hillary won the greater number of elected delegates, and the ‘Super Delegates’ only ended up relevant as a Hail Mary pass for the Bernie campaign.

                You’re the one not remembering… The super delegates were all called extremely early in the race for Hilary in an attempt to make it look like Bernie was so far behind he could never catch up.

                • Jaysyn
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                  109 months ago

                  And he didn’t.

                  You’re ready to hand over the USA to christofascists because Bernie was a worse campaigner than Hillary. That’s pathetic, you sore loser.

                  I say this as someone who donated over $1000 to Bernie in 2016.

                  • PugJesus
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                    79 months ago

                    I say this as someone who donated over $1000 to Bernie in 2016.

                    Thank you for covering my poor 25$ donating ass in 2016 o7

                  • @FlexibleToast
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                    You’re ready to hand over the USA to christofascists

                    I have never once said that. I have said the opposite several times.

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                  Isn’t it weird to you that not even Bernie says or thinks this?

                  That Bernie continues to work with the very folks you refuse to vote for? Almost like it’s not an issue to the very person it should be…

                  Almost like you’ve got it wrong and even Bernie has moved on to do more for your political views by collaborating WITH the very dems you refuse to support.

                  Bernie and people like him are accomplishing more for your political goals by working WITH the DNC. Accomplishing more than you will ever accomplish with your sanctimonious BS pretending like the DNC made you a victim.

                  • @FlexibleToast
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                    -29 months ago

                    folks you refuse to vote for?

                    I never said that… I’ve said the opposite. Now you’re arguing against points I never said or made.

                • Remmock
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                  You need a lesson. The DNC conspired against Bernie Sanders the moment it was clear he was a threat to Hillary and did it so goddamned hard that there was a lawsuit about it.

                  A lawsuit that ended with the defense: “The DNC is a private entity so we’re allowed to do whatever we want.”

                  https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/

                  https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/24/clinton-campaign-blames-russia-wikileaks-sanders-dnc-emails

                  Please explain why they deserve to continue existing.

                  • @FlexibleToast
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                    19 months ago

                    I don’t think you replied to the right person. I would argue against any of this. In fact I brought up points that support what you’re saying here.

    • Jaysyn
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      89 months ago

      Voting is a chess move, not a love letter, although I doubt you’re actually a US citizen.

      I certainly hope you aren’t a minority that will lose their citizenship & be exiled under Trump’s Project 2025.

      • Remmock
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        09 months ago

        I’m not the Chess Master. I’m a pawn. I’m sacrificed and threatened and told if I don’t do what I need to all the time always then the other side wins.

        So I’m not going to move the way I’m told until I get something I want.

        I’m a minority setting myself on fire every election. This time I’m inclined to have others burn with me.

      • Remmock
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        29 months ago

        Every election is “the worst election ever where we need everyone to come together and support our hand-picked candidate against their hand-picked candidate”. When do you get to vote your conscience?

        When do I vote in a manner representative of who I am as a minority?

        When will the ship not be sinking so I can choose someone who actually represents me?

        Why is it my responsibility to vote for you when you don’t care about me?

        “I know we didn’t do anything for you again these past 4 years, but if you don’t get behind us then it’s going to be bad!”

        It already is bad. If you don’t realize that you sound like the privileged one.

        • ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮ
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          29 months ago

          Sometimes you have to think about other people and not just yourself.

          Marginalized people get extra fucked by “allowing” the even worse candidate to win.

          • Remmock
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            09 months ago

            “When do I get to think about me when I vote?”

            “Stop thinking about just yourself and think about other people.”

            Are you even paying attention to the conversation or am I trying to reason with a recording? Is it any wonder why I don’t feel heard time and time again to the point where I don’t want to do what I’m told?

            It’s zero sympathy. I have a duty to get shafted by the political system again for the promise that someday, somehow, something will work out for me.

            No thanks, friend.

              • Remmock
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                19 months ago

                You are a microcosm representing exactly how the Democratic party is treating me. No interest in asking what I want. No drive to sympathize. Just demand, demand, demand. The liberals in here are so beautifully reflected in you, demonstrating the same lack of motivation to engage beyond name-calling, coercion and, in some cases, internet tough-guy posturing.

                • ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮ
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                  29 months ago

                  So a couple of things. I’m not a Liberal, not even close. Secondly I’m also not American so I’m not looking at this through the narrow lens of your conservative government. Thirdly, when did I name call, coerce or Internet tough-guy posture?

                  You will reap what you sow I guess. The rest of the world thanks you for Trump again.

      • @FlexibleToast
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        So you want them to vote for someone they don’t like just because it’s who the party picked? That’s what privilege looks like.