• @grue
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    1246 months ago

    Headline: “the astronaut landing on the moon won’t be an American”

    Article: “some non-Americans will be accompanying Americans on an American mission to the moon”

    Those claims are not the same.

    • @jeffwOP
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      -346 months ago

      The first non-American will step foot on the moon. How is that not what the headline says?

      • @grue
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        476 months ago

        The headline implies that only non-Americans will be landing on the moon.

        • @ABCDE
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          -456 months ago

          It doesn’t.

          • Flying SquidM
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            236 months ago

            Then it’s odd that so many people, myself included, interpreted it that way.

            • @ABCDE
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              -196 months ago

              It doesn’t mean it’s true.

              • Flying SquidM
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                126 months ago

                I’m pretty sure what something implies is dependent upon the reader’s interpretation. And it looks like many readers think it implies that a non-American is about to land on the moon even if you didn’t think so.

                • @ABCDE
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                  -146 months ago

                  The writers intention. You can read there being an implication, but it doesn’t mean it is implied.

                  • Flying SquidM
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                    96 months ago

                    Please tell me how you are able to figure out what the writer’s intention is from a headline.

                    Because I would think that would require reading the article and no one is complaining about the contents of the article.

          • @DreamlandLividity
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            6 months ago

            It says “an astronaut is landing on the moon” implying there is only one on this mission.

            • Flying SquidM
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              146 months ago

              Furthermore, is implies it’s imminent. Which is also not true.

              • @ABCDE
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                -66 months ago

                It doesn’t. Present Continuous is used for future plans.

                • Flying SquidM
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                  6 months ago

                  If I say “my brother is traveling to France,” that doesn’t mean “at some point in the future, my brother will travel to France.”

                  At least I’ve never heard anyone use “is” followed by an action that way.

                  • purplexed
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                    26 months ago

                    It’s very clunky in its usage. Which isn’t good English, but neither is the title, so I’m over it.

                  • @ABCDE
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                    16 months ago

                    Perhaps you’re not a native speaker, but it absolutely is used that way in real life. My brother is travelling to France in August, for example.

            • @ABCDE
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              -56 months ago

              It doesn’t, it refers to one but can be of many. A person is attending a football match for the first time today. It doesn’t mean no one else is.

              • @DreamlandLividity
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                6 months ago

                No. The sentence you posted implies a football match was never before attended by any person.

                If you want to say one of many, you should say Some person/someone.

                Or you can qualify the person. E.g. A non-american astronaut will be landing on the moon for the first time.

                • @ABCDE
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                  -56 months ago

                  Nope, because you know football matches have been attended by people. Ignoring basic facts doesn’t make your understand correct, it’s silly.

                  • @DreamlandLividity
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                    6 months ago

                    Yes, so we are talking about a sentence in the headline where we don’t have extra context, yet you make an sentence where it is clear the sentence is stupid based on outside context and argue it should be interpreted the other way around because otherwise we know it is stupid. Amazing logic.

                    Just because I can deduce what you actually meant does not mean the sentence is correct.

          • @Moghul
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            46 months ago

            Yes it does.

      • @fluxion
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        386 months ago

        Imagine Kennedy gave an amazing speech about “landing an American on the moon” and then sent him up aboard a Russian rocket. I’m guessing most people wouldn’t have been like “Well, technically that’s accurate. Well done Mr. President.”

        • @jeffwOP
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          -176 months ago

          This isn’t about the rocket, it’s about the national origin and the space agency that sent the person

          • @KazuyaDarklight
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            256 months ago

            Ok, but the space agency in charge is…still NASA. These aren’t American astronauts doing a ride-along on a Japanese mission, it’s literally the opposite.

            • @ABCDE
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              -46 months ago

              It only mentions the person, not the agency.

              • @KazuyaDarklight
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                76 months ago

                The article mentions the agency and OP brought agencies into the conversation in the message I replied to. I wouldn’t have hit on it otherwise.