• @stanleytweedle
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    8 months ago

    Thanks for surrendering what little choice you have to me.

    • @LazyPhilosopher
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      -158 months ago

      Here’s that guy that was foretold by the prophecy. The one who doesn’t understand the electoral college. Lmao

            • @LazyPhilosopher
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              -58 months ago

              I hope one day you know as much about us politics as you think you do now ☺️

                • @LazyPhilosopher
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                  18 months ago

                  Sure!

                  For starters the United States does not have a popular vote. The last two Republicans to win a presidential election did so while losing the popular vote. Every vote literally does not count.

                  If everyone who used Lemmy decided to or not to vote in this election, it probably wouldn’t change anything unless most of us are in the same swing state.

                  So when you said the original commenter not voting makes your vote count more. It’s literally not the case. Unless by some miracle you live in the same gerrymandered district of the same swing state.

                  • @stanleytweedle
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                    08 months ago

                    Oh wow- I had no idea that’s how it worked ;)

                    But I’ll still tell non and third party presidential voters they’re ‘surrendering their choice to me’ because you get so adorably triggered over it!

    • @Shadywack
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      -198 months ago

      Cool, have fun picking between fascism and genocide.

        • @Shadywack
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          -108 months ago

          To be clear, I’ve surrendered nothing to you whatsoever. My vote will be counted toward another candidate available to me on the ticket, just neither Trump nor Biden. That you intend to vote for genocide or fascism is something you are so gleeful to do. Enjoy.

            • @Shadywack
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              08 months ago

              No, it’s called a society of sheep who don’t want to change from the two party system.

          • @stanleytweedle
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            8 months ago

            To be clear, thanks again for surrendering your choice to me.

            Honestly it’s kinda weird that you prefer genocide and fascism to genocide or fascism, so it really is best you let more rational people decide for you.

            • @go_go_gadget
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              18 months ago

              I’m sure the history books will remember your rational perspective.

            • @Shadywack
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              08 months ago

              To be clear, I’m voting productively instead of as a sheep. It’s not surrendering anything to you. If you are beholden to the two party system and fall into the trap of “keep the other guy out” instead of voting for someone in good conscience, that’s you being part of the problem.

      • @Belastend
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        98 months ago

        *fascism+genocide and genocide.

      • TheRealKuni
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        28 months ago

        So there’s this cool thing with math where you can factor out common values.

        So if we have fascism+genocide vs notfascism+genocide, and we factor out the support for Israel, we get fascism vs nonfascism.

        That’s still an important election, regardless of whether both sides support Israel.

        • @go_go_gadget
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          That’s still an important election, regardless of whether both sides support Israel.

          Sure, but consider what you’re saying here, if we cannot use our votes to effect change then what are you proposing people do?

          • TheRealKuni
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            28 months ago

            Well, for one, vote for the only major party that MIGHT give a shit about Gaza or may be less gung-ho about supporting Israel, and for two, advocate in other ways. Organize protests, make calls to your representatives and senators, donate to charities that will assist the people of Gaza, etc.

            Keep in mind, Donald Trump moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and doesn’t give a flying fuck about Gaza. He’s worse for Gaza than “Genocide Joe” is.

            • @go_go_gadget
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              08 months ago

              Organize protests

              There have been protests about Biden sending arms to Israel. He continues to send arms to Israel. Politicians ignore protests.

              make calls to your representatives and senators

              People have called their representatives and senators objecting to sending arms to Israel. Arms continue to be sent to Israel.

              Clearly neither of these have worked. What else have you got?

              • TheRealKuni
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                08 months ago

                It’s like you’re expecting national policy to turn instantly based on protests. That’s now how the world works, unfortunately. Things take time.

                It’s terrible, I’m not in any way trying to downplay the genocide that is happening. But Israel and the US have been firm allies for a long time. Change won’t come quickly. And it won’t come at all if Trump is elected.

                • @go_go_gadget
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                  It’s like you’re expecting national policy to turn instantly based on protests.

                  You’re the one who claimed protesting works. If it did we would see material changes resulting from protests. We don’t. Protests obviously don’t work.

                  If your claim is “protests change policy decades later sometimes” then state that plainly.

                  • TheRealKuni
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                    18 months ago

                    Protesting does work. It just doesn’t result in immediate change. Nothing results in immediate change. Expecting it to is childish.