Would be nice if someone else would be stepping up as well.
Germany hardly has any military to speak of yet it is somehow delivering the most weapons in recent months/weeks.
Seriously. Patriot, IRIS-T, Gepards, Skyranger… I know the Netherlands donated some units to fill a whole battery from Germany but who else is sending proper air defense? And where are all the fucking morons who constantly cried about German deliveries? Germany is so far ahead in donations to almost all big economies that it isn’t even funny anymore. But no one seem to cry about all those countries? Hell, the Ameritards even praise the GOP blocking everything. It’s like the world has gone fucking insane.
IRIS-T SLS/SLM and Skyranger aren’t even (yet) in use by the Bundeswehr, Gepards are already decommissioned (but still among the best systems out there). Thing is though unlike Ukraine Germany has an air force, we don’t need deep surface to air capabilities. They’re nice to have but not nearly as essential as for Ukraine.
Germany basically handed Ukraine a gift card valid for any purchase at any German arms company while saying “don’t worry about export controls it’s a formality”, many of those systems are either bought used from pretty much everywhere in the world and then refurbished and upgraded by the original manufacturers, or so brand-new the Bundeswehr itself isn’t even using them yet. Direct deliveries from Bundeswehr stock are generally stop-gap measures, the Bundeswehr really doesn’t have excess stock and any that it had (like old GDR Strelas) has long since been delivered.
The EU has delayed their budget until more Patriot systems are provided. Hopefully, this is only the first. There are around 100 such systems in the EU.
That’s just another show like Macrons big words about Russia. There will be no action.
What makes you think suddenly there will be a difference? Other countries also have cruise missiles like Taurus but aren’t sending them. Only thing you hear is blaming Germany for not sending Taurus.
Both France and the UK have sent SCALP/ Shadowstorm cruise missiles to Ukraine, so I don’t get what you’re referring to. The Taurus would be interesting for Ukraine because of the longer range this weapon system has.
Yes they send some but the supply has been more or less dry. And they don’t seem to be ordering new ones.
The UK literally suggested Germany could send them Taurus in exchange for Storm Shadow because they ran out and their new replacement missle is still in development and that is why they arent buying any new ones.
Also anyone else could have bought Taurus or similar missles to send to Ukraine but they aren’t.
Also UK/France are not the only countries that have similar systems. Yet you never hear complaints about them not sending them.
Everyone was harping on Germany for gas imports. Yet now we have Macron making big speeches about supporting Ukraine.
Then they barely send any real support and instead secretly they are importing tons of Russian LNG.
Parliament refused to sign off the budget of the Council, not for the EU. That’s business as usual they practically never sign it off because they always have some bone to pick, it’s a protest without legal effect.
…seemed to have been politically effective though which is what counts in this case.
Would be nice if someone else would be stepping up as well. Germany hardly has any military to speak of yet it is somehow delivering the most weapons in recent months/weeks.
Seriously. Patriot, IRIS-T, Gepards, Skyranger… I know the Netherlands donated some units to fill a whole battery from Germany but who else is sending proper air defense? And where are all the fucking morons who constantly cried about German deliveries? Germany is so far ahead in donations to almost all big economies that it isn’t even funny anymore. But no one seem to cry about all those countries? Hell, the Ameritards even praise the GOP blocking everything. It’s like the world has gone fucking insane.
IRIS-T SLS/SLM and Skyranger aren’t even (yet) in use by the Bundeswehr, Gepards are already decommissioned (but still among the best systems out there). Thing is though unlike Ukraine Germany has an air force, we don’t need deep surface to air capabilities. They’re nice to have but not nearly as essential as for Ukraine.
Germany basically handed Ukraine a gift card valid for any purchase at any German arms company while saying “don’t worry about export controls it’s a formality”, many of those systems are either bought used from pretty much everywhere in the world and then refurbished and upgraded by the original manufacturers, or so brand-new the Bundeswehr itself isn’t even using them yet. Direct deliveries from Bundeswehr stock are generally stop-gap measures, the Bundeswehr really doesn’t have excess stock and any that it had (like old GDR Strelas) has long since been delivered.
The EU has delayed their budget until more Patriot systems are provided. Hopefully, this is only the first. There are around 100 such systems in the EU.
That’s just another show like Macrons big words about Russia. There will be no action. What makes you think suddenly there will be a difference? Other countries also have cruise missiles like Taurus but aren’t sending them. Only thing you hear is blaming Germany for not sending Taurus.
Yet somehow people buy all the rhetoric.
Both France and the UK have sent SCALP/ Shadowstorm cruise missiles to Ukraine, so I don’t get what you’re referring to. The Taurus would be interesting for Ukraine because of the longer range this weapon system has.
Yes they send some but the supply has been more or less dry. And they don’t seem to be ordering new ones. The UK literally suggested Germany could send them Taurus in exchange for Storm Shadow because they ran out and their new replacement missle is still in development and that is why they arent buying any new ones. Also anyone else could have bought Taurus or similar missles to send to Ukraine but they aren’t. Also UK/France are not the only countries that have similar systems. Yet you never hear complaints about them not sending them.
If it’s all talk, it doesn’t seem so with this news.
I’m not going to second guess why certain armaments aren’t provided as I know many factors are involved and am not privy to those decisions.
Germany has been delivering big weapons packages frequently. Others are mostly talking. This “block” in EU parliament is not suddenly going to make the others srop putting on shows and making some real actions. https://www.politico.eu/article/france-talk-tough-ukraine-while-gobble-up-more-russia-gas/
Everyone was harping on Germany for gas imports. Yet now we have Macron making big speeches about supporting Ukraine. Then they barely send any real support and instead secretly they are importing tons of Russian LNG.
Parliament refused to sign off the budget of the Council, not for the EU. That’s business as usual they practically never sign it off because they always have some bone to pick, it’s a protest without legal effect.
…seemed to have been politically effective though which is what counts in this case.