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Thousands of Palestinians, including men, women, children and elderly, attempted to return to their homes in northern Gaza on Sunday when they came under Israeli fire.
“We reached all the way to the checkpoint until we saw Israeli tanks. We headed back because they fired towards us. We didn’t see anyone make it to the other side. We risked our children’s lives to cross, but apparently it was all a lie,” one woman said.
Video shows several people with what appear to be gunshot wounds. One man is seen carrying another man who has blood streaming along his face from a head injury.
Yet you are complicit in the election of a politician who proudly will make this worse. great logic.
No they aren’t. That’s complete nonsense. Do put this on us, if they’d give us someone worth voting for, we would.
Inaction is action. You can’t not make a choice, and there will be consequences of whatever choice you make.
I absolutely can, that is my choice. It’s my vote, it’s my choice to use it or not use it. Simple as that. If I bothered to vote, I would write in Bernie every single time.
The consequences are not my fault. Give me someone worth voting for and I’ll do it. I’ll even volunteer for them, because I have before, and I would again for someone that isn’t a pile of trash or a pile of shit. I won’t vote for either of those things, and that is my vote.
The consequences of your actions may not be your fault but you are responsible for your choices and how they impact others. If you choose to take an action, knowing that it will likely increase the harm towards others, that is on you and others are free to judge you for it.
Anti-electoralism is accelerationism with a fresh paint of coat and voting for a third party in FPTP is functionally indistinguishable from supporting the conservative party. If you help Trump get elected, you are complicit in and share responsibility for every LGBTQ and POC person harmed or killed.
Don’t point the finger at me, I didn’t have anything to do with how we got to now. My apathy and others like me are not the problem… Take aim at the ones that are really to blame. I vote with my conscience, and if that means no vote, so be it. None of you will convince me otherwise with your attacks.
You’re an enabler. Like Andy Dick giving drugs to Phil Hartman’s wife. Sure, Andy didn’t pull the trigger but the situation would have been less likely, if not for his actions. You don’t just get to wash your hands off it because of not directly committing the acts.
Your apathy is exactly the problem as it enables the bad behavior. Why do you think so much has been invested in encouraging voter apathy over the years?
Clearly, your conscience doesn’t consider trans people or people of color then.
This is exactly who I’m not really trying to convince you but rebutting fallacious reasoning so as to try to convince others. You’re so invested in your belief that you’ve incorporated it into your sense of self and perceive anything that challenges it, regardless of factuality, as an attack.
I’m not attacking you. And I don’t think most of the others are either. What we are attacking is the fallacy of believing that one is not responsible for the known consequences of their actions due to voluntary near-sightedness. It’s not missing the forest for the trees, nor even the trees for the twigs, but missing the individual leaves for the individual plant cells; absolutely ignoring all context, interconnectedness, and cascading impacts by focusing only on the minutiae and rejecting anything else.
You’re not a bad person for feeling this way. However, it does lead to a high risk of embracing courses of action on premises that do not hold up to scrutiny and are ethically questionable to those embracing wider world views.
Then you are naive. You can say you’re not to blame, but if Trump wins and things get worse (and oh boy will they get worse), Trump voters and those who didn’t vote for Biden will be to blame. Full stop.
Does it suck we don’t have a more progressive candidate in the general? Absolutely. Is there anything that can be done at this point to change that? No, there are only 3 choices to make, and all but voting for Biden will help Trump in some way.
The consequences of voting or not voting for you are exactly the same as they are for every other voting age American. It’s really not that complicated.
You’re right, it’s not complicated, there are zero consequences to my not voting. My state will go to Biden with or without me, I make zero difference.
People shouldn’t be annoyed and angry with me that I don’t want to participate anymore, don’t point the finger at me, point it at the ones who are making people like me completely apathetic to this dumb shit show.
Problem is that this mindset for states that DO matter in our shitty electoral college system absolutely make a difference. This is absolutely the goal of the Russians, GOP, and the “let America burn to the ground” folks.
Right it won’t be your fault if you can see a worse alternative coming but instead of avoiding it you throw a tantrum. Totally not your fault.
Not voting isn’t throwing a tantrum. I choose to not vote because I have nobody I think is worth voting for. That’s all.
But to be honest, the amount of attacks you get if you say you don’t want to vote, or you plan to vote third party, the negativity against that you get from people, like this is all your fault, is what seems like people throwing a tantrum. My vote my choice. That’s all. My one vote in my state makes no difference whatsoever. So I’m just not going to do it.
Pretend all you want
He just loves being able to pretend that his support for genocide is moral.
Ah the Trump shill is back to save the day from the genocide lovers. ❤️
Who? I don’t support that shit at all.
The guy you were talking to. He supports genocide and thinks that makes him a good person.
Ahh ok 😆
Actually you do, since you want trump to win
No. I don’t.
Sure aren’t acting like it