Florida Democrats fight to restore party’s lost pride in era of DeSantis
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Progressives aim to reinstate equilibrium to state’s lopsided politics that DeSantis has, in the eyes of some, dragged into fascism

Progressives aim to reinstate equilibrium to state’s lopsided politics that DeSantis has, in the eyes of some, dragged into fascism

  • Hyperreality
    3•1 year ago

    You have a point.

    I suspect going on about gerrymandering too much, and inadvertently convincing some democratic voters they can’t win because of gerry mandering, isn’t helping either.

    • @Hazdaz
      3•1 year ago

      It becomes a crutch… “oh, why should we bother to go vote, when we know we will lose?” or worse yet, it undermines democracy in general by making people think the system is totally rigged. Those are the kinds of arguments that clowns like Trump use. I am not saying that everything is fair. Far from it, but apathy is one of the biggest weapons that fascist use to make people not want to go vote. Voter turnout is already pitiful - we can’t afford to lose more voters.

      • Hyperreality
        1•1 year ago

        Yeah. I have a related degree and this is the kind of thing Cambridge Analytica did. Big data scraping, pop it all into SPSS to see what predicts voting behaviour, then target voter demographics that’ll vote against your client with propaganda that makes them cynical.

        It’s really hard to make them vote for your guy, it’s easier to convince them to not vote against him.

        Hell, I’d argue that even if the system is largely rigged, you need the electorate to believe the lie that it’s not, to at least stand at least some chance at keeping the fascists out.

        But what do I know.

      • @[email protected]
        0•1 year ago

        Democrats also chase after middle class votes when they should be in every fast food joint, retail chain, and other shitty minimum wage job, advocating for inflation-tied minimum wage increases, strengthened protections for organized labor, etc.

        (they don’t do this because they are a centrist party that doesn’t want the US to have the quality of life enjoyed by those in Western Europe)

        • @Hazdaz
          1•1 year ago

          Or maybe they don’t do that because minimum wage workers can’t be bothered to go vote. Exact same situation with the youth vote.

          Why waste your limited resources on a group that doesn’t reciprocate and help you win elections?

          The Left can’t even win local elections in some of the most Left leaning cities in some of the most Left leaning states, but somehow people who clearly have no idea about politics think that Democrats should go all-in on some extremely progressive ideas. First prove that you can win elections. Prove that you can bring the vote out and then maybe you can shift the part more to the Left. But the Left can’t. They rather sit home and let right wing fascists get into office, rather than vote in candidates who they might not full agree with, but probably have WAY the hell more in common than any Republicans.

          Politics, just like with the rest of life, is all about compromises. Would I want someone who I agree with 100% of the time get voted into office? Absolutely, but that’s not reality. So instead, I would far rather vote in someone I agree with on 80% of the issues out there, rather than let someone who, at best, I might agree with on 20% of the time. Adults see that you might have to give a little to get overall what you want accomplished. Children can’t make those distinctions and rather hold their breathe in until their faces turn blue and not think about the consequences of letting fascists win elections because of their childishness or stubbornness.