I’m going to go with the 99.9% more likely scenario of IDF terrorists posing as Hamas in order to attack US infrastructure, sway public sentiment away from Gaza, and further accomplish the goals of the genocide they are currently prosecuting. Fuck Israel.
There’s no way to know at this very moment and projecting your own bias as an amateur, which I’m assuming you are, reveals your own status as a moron, or worse; a bad actor.
Good point. Unlike the other two Israel twinks in this conversation you actually did isolate a legitimate bias in my original rhetoric. Therefore, I partially accept your criticism.
However, it is also important to note that we have repeatedly seen the IDF intentionally obfuscationing its atrocities by using the fog of war as part of their psychological warfare campaign. So, I am comfortable saying that there is significant strategic value to them attacking US aid infrastructure…
Where did I say “Jews”? Please point that out for the whole class. Unlike you, I am able to effectively differentiate the political entity of Israel from the socio-religious culture of the global Jewish diaspora.
I am also aware that IDF tactics have repeatedly included the use of covert terrorist attacks that have then been blamed on other groups to justify their own ends. Additionally the Israeli military already set a precedent for this by attacking the United States military in a similar fashion during the Six Days War.
So, no, I do not trust Israel will not use the IDF to destroy infrastructure in order to continue blocking aid from reaching the Gazans who desperately need it.
First of all, I don’t think you need to teach me any history. Secondly, people like you need to blame everything on Isreal. You need to do that because putting the any blame on terrorist organizations that are are affiliated with Iran and Russia doesn’t fit your narrative that they’re good guys. Your good guys/bad guys routine has been going on so long its just repetitive and boring.
Look chief, I could sit here and dismantle your continued attempts at forced generalization of my positions, but that would do neither of us any good.
The minute you hit me with the “you people” routine this conversation was effectively over. If you want to have a conversation with another adult, then you’re going to have to start acting like one.
The IDF website states that most of them are Jews. So by literally combining the letters I, D and F, while also referring to the military organization, you are implying Jews.
If you are trying to not be antisemitic, you are doing a shit job of hiding it. Your aren’t being genuine here, and can fuck off with your bullshit somewhere else like HexBear or LemmyGrad.
Implying that Jewish people are responsible for the actions of the IDF and Israel is what’s antisemitic. Try as you might, you’re not going to get away with using religion as a shield for horrific crimes against humanity.
Try as you might, you’re not going to get away with using religion as a shield for horrific crimes against humanity.
That’s pretty stupid of you to say that since religious people have been getting away with it for the last two thousand years, and likely long before that.
Lol care to point out where I implied anything of the sort? I simply pointed out how you claim religion is being used to commit atrocities here, while everyone else is blaming the government.
This is honestly one of the stupidest fucking retorts I’ve read in awhile. That’s like saying “Christians nuked Japan in WW2.” While factually probable (I don’t know the religious affiliation of the dudes in the plane who dropped the bomb), it is tying a religious affiliation to a state organization. The US dropped the nukes on Japan, and the religion of the people who did it is irrelevant.
People have a problem with government of Israel, not Jewish people. People have a problem with the actions of West Bank settlers, not Jewish people. People have a problem with the IDF, not Jewish people. It’s almost like we are able to separate the actions of people from their religious affiliation. Now, countries in the Middle East that are Muslim governments have a problem with Jewish people as a whole, but that isn’t who you are arguing with here.
You still don’t get it and are just turning even more people against. We fucking hate the Israeli government who have become genociders. We don’t give a fuck about your religion. Stop hiding behind it and stop slaughtering people in Gaza or literally no one not even in America will listen to you
Yeah, and you’re arguing with me for a reason. The fact I’m black has nothing to do with it. It was very disingenuous of me to pretend that your position had anything whatsoever to do with that. I know nothing about you so just calling you racist with no evidence is ridiculous and unhelpful
I’m going to go with the 99.9% more likely scenario of IDF terrorists posing as Hamas in order to attack US infrastructure, sway public sentiment away from Gaza, and further accomplish the goals of the genocide they are currently prosecuting. Fuck Israel.
There’s no way to know at this very moment and projecting your own bias as an amateur, which I’m assuming you are, reveals your own status as a moron, or worse; a bad actor.
Good point. Unlike the other two Israel twinks in this conversation you actually did isolate a legitimate bias in my original rhetoric. Therefore, I partially accept your criticism.
However, it is also important to note that we have repeatedly seen the IDF intentionally obfuscationing its atrocities by using the fog of war as part of their psychological warfare campaign. So, I am comfortable saying that there is significant strategic value to them attacking US aid infrastructure…
Blaming it on the Jews never gets old.
Where did I say “Jews”? Please point that out for the whole class. Unlike you, I am able to effectively differentiate the political entity of Israel from the socio-religious culture of the global Jewish diaspora.
I am also aware that IDF tactics have repeatedly included the use of covert terrorist attacks that have then been blamed on other groups to justify their own ends. Additionally the Israeli military already set a precedent for this by attacking the United States military in a similar fashion during the Six Days War.
So, no, I do not trust Israel will not use the IDF to destroy infrastructure in order to continue blocking aid from reaching the Gazans who desperately need it.
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Sure bud. Whatever helps you feel like you won the conversation.
First of all, I don’t think you need to teach me any history. Secondly, people like you need to blame everything on Isreal. You need to do that because putting the any blame on terrorist organizations that are are affiliated with Iran and Russia doesn’t fit your narrative that they’re good guys. Your good guys/bad guys routine has been going on so long its just repetitive and boring.
Look chief, I could sit here and dismantle your continued attempts at forced generalization of my positions, but that would do neither of us any good.
The minute you hit me with the “you people” routine this conversation was effectively over. If you want to have a conversation with another adult, then you’re going to have to start acting like one.
Fair enough. I don’t want a conversation with you. It’s useless.
Then you shouldn’t have started one, and that’s on you.
Sorry I exposed the fragility of your rhetoric, and made you reconsider your commitment towards publicly defending it. Oh, wait…no I’m not 😘
The IDF website states that most of them are Jews. So by literally combining the letters I, D and F, while also referring to the military organization, you are implying Jews.
They have been historically tied to Jewish paramilitary forces in the New Yishuv.
Their ranks and division titles are all in Hebrew.
Their religious demographic is almost entirely Jewish.
If you are trying to not be antisemitic, you are doing a shit job of hiding it. Your aren’t being genuine here, and can fuck off with your bullshit somewhere else like HexBear or LemmyGrad.
Implying that Jewish people are responsible for the actions of the IDF and Israel is what’s antisemitic. Try as you might, you’re not going to get away with using religion as a shield for horrific crimes against humanity.
That’s pretty stupid of you to say that since religious people have been getting away with it for the last two thousand years, and likely long before that.
So you admit that you’re being antisemitic here?
No, i think they’re just arguing that Israel should get away with whatever they want because religious people have done terrible things in the past.
No I want Israel to destroy Hamas; you have implied Jews are using false-flag guerilla tactics against their own allies like they are somehow dumb.
Lol care to point out where I implied anything of the sort? I simply pointed out how you claim religion is being used to commit atrocities here, while everyone else is blaming the government.
This is honestly one of the stupidest fucking retorts I’ve read in awhile. That’s like saying “Christians nuked Japan in WW2.” While factually probable (I don’t know the religious affiliation of the dudes in the plane who dropped the bomb), it is tying a religious affiliation to a state organization. The US dropped the nukes on Japan, and the religion of the people who did it is irrelevant.
People have a problem with government of Israel, not Jewish people. People have a problem with the actions of West Bank settlers, not Jewish people. People have a problem with the IDF, not Jewish people. It’s almost like we are able to separate the actions of people from their religious affiliation. Now, countries in the Middle East that are Muslim governments have a problem with Jewish people as a whole, but that isn’t who you are arguing with here.
Saying everything is antisemitism is super lame and not helping like you think
People have been blaming the Jews since the Romans. That’s what’s lame.
You still don’t get it and are just turning even more people against. We fucking hate the Israeli government who have become genociders. We don’t give a fuck about your religion. Stop hiding behind it and stop slaughtering people in Gaza or literally no one not even in America will listen to you
I really don’t care if you’re against me.
As usual. A noun, a verb and genociders!
I’m not a Jew boss.
Haven’t slaughtered anybody lately either.
You speak for America huh
I suppose it’s good they didn’t blame it on Jews then, isn’t it? Don’t bring that antisemitic bullshit in here.
It’s already here.
Wow so you think black people are antisemitic? Why are you so racist?
Do you see how totally fucking stupid that would be as a response to you?
They’ve been blaming the Jews since the Romans. That is simply true.
So every time a black person expresses an opinion you choose to silence them? I can’t believe the hate I’m facing right now
Wait a minute, I have to check if I have ever silenced the black people I live with…no, sure haven’t
You’re doing it right now. You’re only arguing with me because I’m black. The hate is on display for everybody to see
No I actually have two black roommates. But, it doesn’t matter, you will believe what you will.
Yeah, and you’re arguing with me for a reason. The fact I’m black has nothing to do with it. It was very disingenuous of me to pretend that your position had anything whatsoever to do with that. I know nothing about you so just calling you racist with no evidence is ridiculous and unhelpful
Attempting to equate Zionist Israelis with all Jews got old a long fucking time ago.
Stop trying to conflate anti-Israel with antisemitism