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Gaza mass grave: Almost 400 bodies have been found, says Palestinian Civil Defense | CNN
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Gaza mass grave: Almost 400 bodies have been found, says Palestinian Civil Defense | CNN
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Based on what? With your garbage posts and nonsense based on nothing but your hatred for Palestinians means very few people give a fuck what you have to say.
I don’t think CNN would even report on this if it didn’t have some truth to it.
The Intercept, a pretty good source, alleges that CNN runs all of their Gaza/Israel coverage by their Jerusalem team, subject to the IDF’s censor, prior to publication. They’re SUPER Israel slanted.
In the coming days I fully expect them to blame Hamas for it or something in a “quit hitting yourself” type of way.
You are right: CNN is terrorist propaganda - the IDF are terrorists too, after all.
I know it goes against rules to atack people instead of ideas, but you’re a horrible person who’s cheering on genocide and someone needs to say that to you. I’d spit on you if I could.
You are in denial, either intentionally or not.
I’m going to wait till more comes out. For me, the question becomes, who is more likely to have filled a mass grave with hospital patients? The IDF who were briefly in the hospital and accounted for all the “terrorists” they killed during the raid and let the hospital continue to operate afterwards with no reports of mass executions? Or the Gazans who ran the hospital for months, lacked the supplies to save those injured during the constant attacks, and lacked the infrastructure to properly dispose of bodies?
I’m not saying it couldn’t have been the IDF, we’ve literally seen videos of them running over and burying bodies with a bulldozer. I’m just saying given the context, it looks more like the sad reality of what happens when a hospital has a high amount of casualties and dead bodies brought to it and lacks the resources to properly identify or store them.
They had their hands tied behind their backs. Does that sound like a hospital patient to you?
That would still make those deaths Israel’s responsibility.
They have found many bodies wrapped in plastic, contrary to any normal practice, sometimes with medical devices like catheters still attached. Some people may have been buried alive.
Hi, I actually posted an article from Mondoweiss, but it was taken down for “not being a credible source”.
I think if you read the families reactions from there you will be able of answering your own questions.
They quote families looking for disappeared babies for long time, finding them on the bad, and also people tied via their hands on their backs inside bags, eyes blinded.
I don’t believe the population would take people with their hands tied and eyes blinded in such a dehumanizing way and put them inside bags.
Here is it:
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/04/i-felt-like-pulling-my-heart-out-of-the-earth-testimonies-from-the-mass-grave-at-nasser-hospital/
I’m interested in hearing how the articles answers your questions.
Thanks
Israel already proudly said they basically dug up buried bodies and did DNA tests to see if any were hostages. I’m not sure it’s in question that it was a mass grave used by the IDF to discard Palestinian bodies.
Mate stop using logic and thinking for yourself believe the narrative or fuck off.
I believe the words of the dozens of doctors and independent aid workers, the footage of atrocities, the long history of atrocities, more than the words of the people killing them (IDF propaganda). It’s not like this is the 1700s and there are no photos or direct evidence.
Nah, they need to start using logic and thinking for themselves, rather than just mindlessly accepting the zionist media narratives.
That’s what Nazis said when reports of mass graves in Germany came!
I think the Nazis were proud of what they did and owned it up.
But I agree that discrediting the discovery of the mass grave in Gaza is going to take more than the rhetoric of ‘bullshit terrorist propaganda’. Israel at this point is leaning too much on people’s sympathy when Hamas did the initial attack.
The nazi party used a lot of euphemism surrounding their genocide plan and a lot of german citizens claimed afterwards they didn’t know the extent of it (davon haben wir nichts gewusst), but the antisemitism was immediately visible obviously what with the kidnapping. The camps—a bit less so, but a lot of historians feel they were more of an open secret than a secret. It was definitely less globally visible than what’s happening in Palestine though and the international community was justifiably outraged when they saw the extent and brutality of the camps.
Israel could let in an independent investigation if they truly believed that this is “propaganda that could easily be debunked.” Hamas has already said they will fully cooperate with it.
But israel doesn’t want to. Wonder why…
Israel probably knows that there are no takers for their delusions. But appearances are more important than the truth in this crooked world order.
In Germany now this is called “Holocaust denial” and it’s a crime.
As much a some Nazi will deny a genocide, some pro Israel extremists will deny they learned from Nazis how to commit a genocide
Holocaust denial is a post-Nazi (after 1945) phenomenon, isn’t it? Or did the original Nazis ever do that as well?
Denial happens all times, not only in Holocaust.
The nazis also went to Warsaw Ghetto and gave once a dinner to starving Jews and made a movie out of it to prove to their population that they were treated well and were complaining for nothing.
But if you want something specific, you can look on the site below, which starts with denials beginning 1942:
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/holocaust-denial-key-dates
A small excerpt:
*1942–44 To conceal the evidence of their annihilation of Europe’s Jews, Germans and their collaborators destroy evidence of mass graves at the Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka killing centers, and at thousands of sites of mass shooting operations throughout German-occupied Poland, the German-occupied Soviet Union, and Serbia, including Babi Yar, in an operation code named Aktion 1005.
1943 In a speech to SS Generals at Poznan, Heinrich Himmler, Reich Leader (Reichsführer) of the SS (Schutzstaffel; Protection Squadrons), remarks that the mass murder of the European Jews will be kept secret, never to be recorded.*
Which just shows you the level of intelligence the Nazis were working with.
“Hey, you guys took over Europe and millions of Jews living there just vanished! What happened to them?”
“Uh… um… aliens?”
The goal is not to proof that they didn’t do it, or even to make it the rational assumption that they didn’t do it.
The goal is to muddy the water just enough, so some people can subscribe to “it’s complicated” (note how we hear that one a lot these days) or “innocent until proven guilty! And where is the convictions?!” By gaining the information advantage, they effectively demobilize actions towards prevention before or prosecution after. Also it gives just enough wiggle room, so allies can continue to support and opponents struggle to muster definite action.
This game is played expertly by the US, by Russia, by Israel, and China, and used to be played by the Nazis, Pinochet, UDSSR and many more.
It is crucial to collect evidence and it is crucial to never relent demanding investigation and prosecution. Otherwise we’ll get some historians in a hundred years writing a book about everything that happened and everybody will just be like “a well that was ages ago now, wasn’t it?”
The biggest terrorist is the IDF
You misspelled IOF
No, those are called ‘Israeli government statements’
I’m sorry the truth hurts you.