When it was time to react, often it was too late.

In total, NHTSA investigated 956 crashes, starting in January 2018 and extending all the way until August 2023. Of those crashes, some of which involved other vehicles striking the Tesla vehicle, 29 people died. There were also 211 crashes in which “the frontal plane of the Tesla struck a vehicle or obstacle in its path.” These crashes, which were often the most severe, resulted in 14 deaths and 49 injuries.

  • @[email protected]English
    3•2 months ago

    You realize you’re still proving my point, we as a society suck at differentiating between absolute numbers and statistics.

    Again, I have no love for Teslas, but anecdotes of Autopilot failures are not proof that it’s less safe than humans. It’s proof that they need to improve their system, and your comments and the article you shared list a bunch of ways they can do that.

    Having more failures than other ADAS is inching towards the right comparative analysis, but how many Teslas are on the road vs other ADAS cars? If there’s 10x as many Teslas as any other manufacturer, then it’s probably not shocking that they have more failures. (Also, citation needed).

    Again, for the last time, I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m saying the data and anecdotes as presented lack the contextualization to show how much worse Tesla’s implementation is than humans or other manufacturers ADAS. I’m not defending Tesla, and I’m sure the data is out there, but it’s not here in your post to back up your case against Tesla.

    Are they 10%, 50%, 100% more or less likely to crash per mile driven? Do they have more or fewer fatalities per crash incident when using Autopilot? Yes, autopilot drives off road, crashes into tree is bad. But so is driver falls asleep, drives off road, crashes into tree.

    Unfortunately driving is an inherently unsafe system. In 2022, there were over 42,000 fatal car crashes in the US. Is Tesla making this better or worse? Just because they are causing accidents doesn’t mean they’re causing more accidents.

    • @dragontamerOPMEnglish
      2•2 months ago

      Just because they are causing accidents doesn’t mean they’re causing more accidents.

      These statistics literally show Tesla vehicles literally causing more accidents than other ADAS systems.

      but how many Teslas are on the road vs other ADAS cars?

      Mobileye has 170 million vehicles under its ADAS system across Nissan, BMW, Volkswagen, Ford, Toyota, Porsche, and … early versions of Tesla (back when Tesla Autopilot 1 was performing better than this new crap that’s come out more recently).

      Tesla isn’t even the #1 manufacturer of ADAS systems. Mobileye is. The only reason Tesla ever went into this Autopilot / FSD crap was because Mobileye fired them as a customer because Mobileye didn’t like how Tesla’s advertisements oversold the capabilities. And now Tesla has a shittier ADAS system that they pretend is better than their competitors, even though Tesla can’t even figure out how to integrate RADAR and Ultrasonic systems like Mobileye can.