• GodlessCommie
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    1166 months ago

    That sounds like a parental problem

    • @douglasg14b
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      536 months ago

      What a great way to dismiss an entire problems based that affects our society. It’s easier to just hand wave it away as someone else’s problem than to actually consider it…

      When a problem becomes systematic it’s now a societal and cultural problem and not an individual responsibility problem. Individual responsibility isn’t working so it’s now down to the society this is occurring in to solve the systematic problem in a systematic way.

      That’s how almost everything works

    • @RaoulDook
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      326 months ago

      Yeah none of those kids should have cell phones. They should be about old enough to drive before they get one even.

      • @[email protected]
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        166 months ago

        Yup. I have kids (three under 10), and the only time my kids use my phone is when I’m literally there with them, letting them pick a video (usually Pat and Mat, Bert and Ernie, or similar). It’s not every day, and never more than 30 min, usually like 15-20 min, and we take turns picking.

        I’m not letting my kids have their own phone until I trust them with one, and that doesn’t seem to be happening anytime soon with how many of our other rules they break.

      • @scottywh
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        16 months ago

        It’s probably iPads but still…

      • @spez_
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        -16 months ago

        Our schools have banned phones. They need to have the right to destroy phones

    • @[email protected]
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      Yeah, parents are getting ruined by social media algorithms too.

      Our government seems to be moving towards an “we only care about the children, but everyone, including adults, upload your government papers” approach.

      Y’all got any of those protections for adults? I remember reading regulations that companies couldn’t show children advertisements. Can I have some of that regulation too?

      I just can’t stop being cynical that there is little focus on homeless or underpaid adults, or other adult issues, but the one problem we’re focused on just so happens to include everyone giving up anonymity on the Internet.

      We do need to help kids with social media, but there’s a lot of other challenges they will soon face as adults that we’re ignoring.

      • @slumberlust
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        126 months ago

        Are there any examples of ‘for the kids’ legislation that isn’t just something like backdoor encryption masquerading as protecting the young?

        • @vimdiesel
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          26 months ago

          I think you mean “encryption with backdoors”

        • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】
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          -36 months ago

          Uhh, yes, in fact I’d say most. There’s entire systems of childhood health legislation, education, labor, you name it. This is an availability bias showing through. Think about it for five minutes and I bet you can come up with a dozen examples.

    • @tamal3
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      46 months ago

      Yes, but it’s also new territory for us as a species. I’m sure the guidance and monitors will be significantly improved in the next decade, but a decade ago… It was the wild west, baby.

    • @Son_of_dad
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      26 months ago

      So does a kid snapping and shooting up the school, but it doesn’t mean we ignore guns.

      • @[email protected]
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        246 months ago

        but it doesn’t mean we ignore guns.

        Uuuh, you sure about that? It seems like that shit keeps happening and nothing at all is being done about it.

      • @mPony
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        36 months ago

        oh please. if guns became sentient someone would stack three of them in a trenchcoat and give them the right to vote.

      • ArxCyberwolf
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        156 months ago

        Children can’t do that if you’re a responsible parent that keeps an eye on what their child is doing. Y’know, the bare minimum of parenting.

        • @[email protected]
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          106 months ago

          if you’re a responsible parent that keeps an eye on what their child is doing.

          Unfortunately you can’t run a society based on how people should behave. That’s the entire reason we have a legal system and the means to implement safeguards for our population.

            • wanderingmagus
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              36 months ago

              So why do locks exist, if society runs on how people should behave? Why do we have a court system, if we assume no crimes will ever be committed? Why do we have laws?

        • @douglasg14b
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          Imagine not realizing that people have to work for a living… Or that adult mental health is at an all time low. Or that social media manipulation affects people who are parents as well as their kids.

          Similarly just kicking the problem down the road like you’re doing doesn’t actually solve it. It just inhibits solutions and contributes to the problem.

          So in this instance people that think like your comment states actually are indirectly part of the problem. Which is ironic.

        • @[email protected]
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          46 months ago

          That’s sort of true, but “rules for thee and not for me” just kicks the can down the road. They’re going to copy you, so it’s really important to set a good example, at least when your kids can see you.

          • @andros_rex
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            96 months ago

            It’s not “rules for thee and not for me,” unless you consider that true for things like drinking alcohol. It’s protecting children from something they are not cognitively developed enough to be dealing with.

            • @[email protected]
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              The difference is that it’s easy to point to reasons why a child shouldn’t be drinking alcohol (illegal, liver immaturity, etc), and less easy to point to why they shouldn’t be on social media, esp. if their friends are using it.

              Where the line is more fuzzy, I think parents should set a more strict standard for themselves, at least in front of their children.

              • @andros_rex
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                76 months ago

                I think the line is, TikTok pulls a video at random it thinks you’ll want to watch. This means that you may be exposed to basically anything a person felt like filming. This includes violent or pornographic content, which children should not be exposed to.

                Being a parent is telling your children no sometimes. Being a parent means that you should vet the media that your child is being exposed to, which is impossible on a platform like TikTok, and sometimes make the decision for them that they are not old enough to be exposed to certain material.

                It really feels like folks don’t want to be parents - they want to hand the iPad over to the screaming toddler so that they can be babysat by their own phone. I don’t understand why one would have children, if they weren’t interested in doing the work of parenting those kids.

                • @[email protected]
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                  36 months ago

                  My thoughts exactly.

                  I will say, however, that I’m generally against content filtering. My kids know the rules, and they know if they violate them, they lose device privileges. Simple as that. If I put parental controls on, they’ll just circumvent them (and I’ll teach them how to if they ask). I know because I was a kid and constantly got around stupid content filters at school.

                  Either I trust them with the device, or I don’t, no half-measures. For example:

                  • TV - “kids” profiles, but they’re free to use our “adult” profiles if the filtering sucks
                  • computers and tablets - they ask for access, tell me what they want to do, and I unlock it for them
                  • Switch - child lock, but only because my 4yo keeps taking it when not allowed; my older kids know the code

                  That’s it. I generally allow them to use devices unsupervised, though in a public area so I can walk over and check on them. I intend to give them their own devices as they get older (i.e. they’ll set their own passwords). But if they violate my trust, it’s their fault, not the content filter’s, and they lose privileges.

      • GladiusB
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        56 months ago

        With some things yes. But not all.

      • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】
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        -46 months ago

        Childless young people downvoting this, perhaps not able to admit they’re just like mom or dad?

        For most of us I’m sorry but it’s true! Kids are mirrors; apples don’t fall far from trees. Not all of them. Some carry.