• Neuromancer
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    -17 months ago

    They have the worst accident rates among all brands and their driving assist features either can’t keep idiots from making bad decisions or, worse, even amplify the dangerous effects that idiots create while driving

    You need the study to clarify that. Oddly the first article says accidents but when you see how it’s defined, tickets such as spending are called an accident

    • @machinin
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      17 months ago

      They give 2 statistics, accidents and incidents. Accidents are crashes, incidents are crashes plus tickets.

      Tesla has most accidents per driver. Ram has the most incidents - the report you mention. Tesla has the second most incidents.

      So, Teslas still top the number is accidents. Agree, we would need a study to figure out if Tesla driving assist suite is either incompetent at driver safety or malignant to driver safety. Perhaps this lawsuit will shed some light on it.

      • Neuromancer
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        07 months ago

        The driver assist is pretty damn good. It’s so good many people trust it to much. They’ll read email. Crawl in the back seat. You can go to Amazon and buy things to make it seems like your hands are on the wheel. Now the article did say EV are more likely to be read ended. I do wonder if that’s because of the phantom breaking.

        • @machinin
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          17 months ago

          It’s so good many people trust it to much.

          That’s the malignant part I mentioned. They trust it too much and end up running into a first responder, motorcycle or kid getting off a school bus. The aviation industry and many other industries have extensive knowledge how to avoid this very problem. Most other car companies implement systems to avoid it. Tesla just doesn’t really care that much.

          My thoughts were also about phantom breaking, but I don’t know if it is still an issue.

          By the way, I’m not downvoting you here.

          • Neuromancer
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            07 months ago

            My thoughts were also about phantom breaking, but I don’t know if it is still an issue.

            I haven’t had an issue with it for over a year but according to others it’s still a real issue. The car will just slam on the breaks for some odd reason. I don’t want to say no reason because the car thinks there is a valid reason but there isn’t. I’m more likely to have the issue on a sunny day, by a bridge when I’m the only car in front of me.

            Since I’m a conservative, I have many fans who follow me around and downvote anything I say. It’s sad they think that gives them power over me or that I care.

            As long as someone is having a discussion. They’ll never get a downvote from me.