The Tesla Model 3 dropped from first place to third, behind the Toyota Camry and the Honda Civic, among all passenger cars sold.

  • @takeda
    link
    English
    897 months ago

    Yes, to me Tesla switched from the most desirable car to the least desirable one, exactly because he turned out to be a cunt.

    Also in California I see more interest in other electric cars. There are tons of Teslas, but pretty much all new EVs (with temporary license plates) seem to be different brands.

    • @APassenger
      link
      English
      18
      edit-2
      7 months ago

      My current ICE may be due for replacement after over a decade of use.

      I want an EV with NACS that isn’t a Tesla. And so I wait. I don’t need anything complicated, but I don’t want to own a car with the “wrong” kind of port.

      Edit: Or they could layoff the entire Super Charger team at a time the build out is most necessary and leave things super uncertain.

      To car manufacturers: don’t trust Musk. I don’t have strong feelings about which connector “wins,” I just don’t want to be using the one no one else does. And that depresses the value of the car.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        47 months ago

        You have exactly summed up my views. I currently have a 2020 MY and it convinced me that I probably won’t buy another ICE vehicle. With all the crap coming out of Tesla and Musk lately, I also can’t imagine getting another Tesla.

        I’m just waiting for NACS to be built in and hoping today’s layoff news doesn’t ruin that as well…

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        37 months ago

        Pretty sure you can get an NACS adapter now, but otherwise non Tesla vehicles pre-equiped with a NACS port are due to arrive next year.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        17 months ago

        You will always have the “wrong” kind of port for the life of the car. If you have NACS you need J1772 adapter to charge at some places. If you have CCS you need NACS adapter to charge at Tesla Superchargers. As someone that has both Tesla and Rivian, it’s not a big deal to put an adapter in your trunk and use it when you need it and you need an adapter for both cars. It. Doesn’t. Matter.

        • @APassenger
          link
          English
          37 months ago

          It. Doesn’t. Matter.

          Yet. Eventually a USB-C will emerge. Then only logitech (backward OEMs) won’t support it.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            English
            17 months ago

            Yet.

            Which is why I specifically said “for the life of the car”. Every car will need an adapter for at least the next decade.

            • @APassenger
              link
              English
              17 months ago

              Oof. You think it will take that long? Very honest question.

              If that’s how long it takes, I’ll be very sad. You may be right but that bums me out.

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                English
                27 months ago

                Cheaper to build new chargers at new locations than retrofit old ones. You’re already seeing that. So you can choose to have the “default” connector but not have access to all chargers or simply carry an adapter that gives you access to all chargers. Why the hold out against an adapter that costs a fraction of the car? Seriously self defeating attitude.

                • @APassenger
                  link
                  English
                  17 months ago

                  My car runs and I use it infrequently. Hell, I use it so the battery doesn’t die. No lie. Where I like is imminently walkable.

                  So I don’t need to rush into anything. That’s not self-defeating; it’s just realism.

                  • @[email protected]
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    07 months ago

                    I don’t want to own a car with the “wrong” kind of port.

                    Basing your buying decision on not needing an adapter is absolutely self defeating for the reasons I’ve made abundantly clear.

    • Veraxus
      link
      English
      107 months ago

      Also Californian, and I’ve seen Rivian’s presence exploding here in the LA area. If I needed to buy a new car today, Rivian is what I’d get.

      Personally, though, I’m holding out for Aptera. The practicality of their dedication to extreme efficiency is just off the charts.

    • @scarabic
      link
      English
      27 months ago

      Adding to this, their reputation has really suffered because of widespread quality problems and the fact that they marketed level 2 automation as “Full Self Driving” is now well understood to be deceptive and potentially homicidal.

      And anecdotally, Tesla owners drive like entitled pricks. They are, I would say, worse than BMW drivers but not quite as bad as Mercedes drivers. No one is as bad as Mercedes drivers.