Yes, you’re right. When given a binary choice it’s always worse to choose the side that will bring more fascism. I’m glad you recognized that at one point. Hopefully you can come back around to it.
Out of the three choices available to me it’s brought the least fascism one can muster through the voting process. Not voting is a way to bring about marginally more fascism (I especially hope you are voting locally right?) There are 3 years and 364 other days to do political action. Please use those. I don’t see voting as anything but an awful way to choose the lesser of two evils and as a miniscule but necessary part of mine and your capacity for political action.
I wholeheartedly encourage you to spend your time advocating for socialism and trying to revive the movement, hell, I’ve spent time canvasing for local socialist candidates. You know what that didn’t stop me from doing? Spending 20 minutes walking to my polling place once every 4 years to vote for the least fascist out of 2 shitty candidates.
I love when PEOPLE on lemmy act like THEY tried to warn everyone so THEY’RE not responsible. How many election cycles have you participated in? You haven’t done shit and will continue not doing shit, congratulations.
Just a reminder: voting for the lesser of two evils has not ever resulted in the Democratic party stopping their march to the extreme right right alongside the GOP, to the point now that in order to vote for the Democratic nominee one must accept that their vote goes to supporting a genocide.
Just a reminder: voting for the lesser of two evils has not ever resulted in the Democratic party stopping their march to the extreme right right alongside the GOP, to the point now that in order to vote for the Democratic nominee one must accept that their vote goes to supporting a genocide.
“Their march to the extreme far right”
Tell me you don’t know history, or remember even 10 years ago, without telling me you don’t know history or remember 10 years ago.
Yes there was a massive Lurch right in the 90s. Since then the Democrats have waffled extremely hard. Flirting with moving back left slightly but often retracting back to their '90s positions. But there have been a few solid moves to the left in the last 20 years. Nowhere near enough of course. But some is always better than none.
Ten years, why not twenty? I wonder how Biden voted on the Iraq war and invasion of Afghanistan?
How long have we been voting for the technically less evil for now? And where are we at this exact moment? How many times were we all promised “Just vote fascist lite onnnnne more time and next election cycle will be better.”?
Well, how right-wing is genocide compared to starting an unjustfied war?
Do you actually think that somehow you’re going to convince people that we are both on the precipice of fascism but also the Democrats have gotten better at resisting fascism?
No one had to tell me it, it is self-evident. He’s the representative you choose and he’s going to absolutely 100% take your vote for him as vindication that supporting genocide is politically viable, which means Dems will keep fielding zionists and taking AIPAC money.
That’s the consequences of your choice. You need to accept that, not try to pretend you still get to have sone kind of moral high ground.
Well, I don’t support either one of them but it’s very clear that Trump is the worse of the two options in the two party system. I did not choose him. I really think it’s moronic for randos on the internet to try to tell me what I support. It’s not a moral issue for me, it’s a logical one.
Again, voting for Biden is not supporting him. I’ll acknowledge that he is one of two shitty options, but my brain works well enough to recognize that in a two party system, we’re not going to have more than two options. That’s just math.
My memory works well enough to remember the Trump regime and its lasting impacts on our country. Not voting for Biden is an endorsement for further rollbacks to bodily autonomy, a greater division in wealth, the privatization of public services, religious indoctrination in schools, AND the continued genocide of Palestinians.
Just a reminder…
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Tell me you live under a rock without telling me you live under a rock.
Don’t worry, that’s what the fascist simps want. But they’re totally Leftists, don’t worry; enabling fascism is just good praxis. /s
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Yes, you’re right. When given a binary choice it’s always worse to choose the side that will bring more fascism. I’m glad you recognized that at one point. Hopefully you can come back around to it.
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Out of the three choices available to me it’s brought the least fascism one can muster through the voting process. Not voting is a way to bring about marginally more fascism (I especially hope you are voting locally right?) There are 3 years and 364 other days to do political action. Please use those. I don’t see voting as anything but an awful way to choose the lesser of two evils and as a miniscule but necessary part of mine and your capacity for political action.
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I wholeheartedly encourage you to spend your time advocating for socialism and trying to revive the movement, hell, I’ve spent time canvasing for local socialist candidates. You know what that didn’t stop me from doing? Spending 20 minutes walking to my polling place once every 4 years to vote for the least fascist out of 2 shitty candidates.
So you agree, you’re voting for a fascist?
I love when PEOPLE on lemmy act like THEY tried to warn everyone so THEY’RE not responsible. How many election cycles have you participated in? You haven’t done shit and will continue not doing shit, congratulations.
We know this isn’t an age-restricted reaction, so cool it with the “shaming young people” rhetoric.
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And they have just as hypocritically told you similar things. And neither of you have learned you’re both horrible.
Just a reminder: voting for the lesser of two evils has not ever resulted in the Democratic party stopping their march to the extreme right right alongside the GOP, to the point now that in order to vote for the Democratic nominee one must accept that their vote goes to supporting a genocide.
“Their march to the extreme far right”
Tell me you don’t know history, or remember even 10 years ago, without telling me you don’t know history or remember 10 years ago.
What lessons from history were overlooked?
Please compare the Democratic Party in 2024 to the following periods of the Democratic Party:
2012
2004
1992
1980
1968
1960
1952
Then, subsequently, trace their ‘march to the extreme far right’.
Yes there was a massive Lurch right in the 90s. Since then the Democrats have waffled extremely hard. Flirting with moving back left slightly but often retracting back to their '90s positions. But there have been a few solid moves to the left in the last 20 years. Nowhere near enough of course. But some is always better than none.
You didn’t answer my question
Ten years, why not twenty? I wonder how Biden voted on the Iraq war and invasion of Afghanistan?
How long have we been voting for the technically less evil for now? And where are we at this exact moment? How many times were we all promised “Just vote fascist lite onnnnne more time and next election cycle will be better.”?
Sure, why not twenty. Please compare the state of the Democratic Party in 2004 to today, and tell me which is more right-wing.
Well, how right-wing is genocide compared to starting an unjustfied war?
Do you actually think that somehow you’re going to convince people that we are both on the precipice of fascism but also the Democrats have gotten better at resisting fascism?
Just a reminder: voting for Biden does not mean you support him.
Yes, it does. It means you’re willing to put your name to what he does in office.
Who told you that? I’m sure you didn’t read that anywhere.
No one had to tell me it, it is self-evident. He’s the representative you choose and he’s going to absolutely 100% take your vote for him as vindication that supporting genocide is politically viable, which means Dems will keep fielding zionists and taking AIPAC money.
That’s the consequences of your choice. You need to accept that, not try to pretend you still get to have sone kind of moral high ground.
Well, I don’t support either one of them but it’s very clear that Trump is the worse of the two options in the two party system. I did not choose him. I really think it’s moronic for randos on the internet to try to tell me what I support. It’s not a moral issue for me, it’s a logical one.
Voting for Biden is supporting him, yes. Sitting here arguing that people should vote for him is supporting him. You are a Biden supporter.
Tell me, logically, what would convince democrats to stop supporting genocide?
Again, voting for Biden is not supporting him. I’ll acknowledge that he is one of two shitty options, but my brain works well enough to recognize that in a two party system, we’re not going to have more than two options. That’s just math.
My memory works well enough to remember the Trump regime and its lasting impacts on our country. Not voting for Biden is an endorsement for further rollbacks to bodily autonomy, a greater division in wealth, the privatization of public services, religious indoctrination in schools, AND the continued genocide of Palestinians.
A person who doesn’t vote is more to blame than a person who votes for the less insane candidate. That’s logic 101.
Who said anything about not voting? People should vote in every election they can.
That’s why I only ever write in my own name. It’s the only way to be sure my vote perfectly aligns with my morals.