Yeah, it’s amazing how much of a pass Vegas gets about the complete lack of sustainability. Like, for instance, I don’t know, having tons of thirsty tourists and gigantic pools in the middle of a freaking desert! Kinda nuts…
Thanks for that, I definitely learned some. I’m not surprised that it takes some smart thinking to get this to even be remotely possible, and it’s interesting to read what smart thinking goes into it. I was at Lake Mead recently, and it was impressive to be explained how much it had receded over the past few years, and how much of a strain on it Vegas keeps putting despite the mitigation. I wonder how long before it just runs out, if it does; and what happens next.
The US has terrible land management in general. You build these huge sprawling cities made of low density suburbs, both wasting productive farmland in the east and isolated in the middle of the desert in the west. It’s all completely nuts.
I grew up in Europe, and the major difference with Europe is that there is almost no scarcity of productive farmland almost anywhere in the US. Besides in desert areas, you’re always a reasonably drivable distance away from very cheap and vast farmland. It wouldn’t make sense to optimize for a resource that is so far from being scarce. Basically, we mostly build with low density, because, well, we can afford it in resources, and it’s nicer, so why not.
That includes the west, there is also a massive amount of productive farmland in the west. California is actually the number one US state in agricultural revenue.
Most cities developed in the desert are not particularly impressive, just because of the lack of resources indeed. Albuquerque is half a million people. Reno is half of that. That’s tiny as far as North American cities go. In general, it doesn’t make sense to build too ambitiously around there indeed.
… well, except Las Vegas. Las Vegas I can’t make sense of. That place just makes no sense to exist.
Yeah, it’s amazing how much of a pass Vegas gets about the complete lack of sustainability. Like, for instance, I don’t know, having tons of thirsty tourists and gigantic pools in the middle of a freaking desert! Kinda nuts…
Well there are plenty of reasons to throw shade at Vegas, but one thing they are doing well is water management.
https://www.watereducation.org/western-water/climate-change-turns-heat-las-vegas-water-managers-try-wring-new-savings-stretch
https://www.fox5vegas.com/2023/06/13/new-law-limits-household-water-usage/
Thanks for that, I definitely learned some. I’m not surprised that it takes some smart thinking to get this to even be remotely possible, and it’s interesting to read what smart thinking goes into it. I was at Lake Mead recently, and it was impressive to be explained how much it had receded over the past few years, and how much of a strain on it Vegas keeps putting despite the mitigation. I wonder how long before it just runs out, if it does; and what happens next.
Yeah it’s painful seeing how low it is. I lived there back in '99 which meant I also got to drive/ride over the damn itself. Good times.
The US has terrible land management in general. You build these huge sprawling cities made of low density suburbs, both wasting productive farmland in the east and isolated in the middle of the desert in the west. It’s all completely nuts.
I grew up in Europe, and the major difference with Europe is that there is almost no scarcity of productive farmland almost anywhere in the US. Besides in desert areas, you’re always a reasonably drivable distance away from very cheap and vast farmland. It wouldn’t make sense to optimize for a resource that is so far from being scarce. Basically, we mostly build with low density, because, well, we can afford it in resources, and it’s nicer, so why not.
That includes the west, there is also a massive amount of productive farmland in the west. California is actually the number one US state in agricultural revenue.
Most cities developed in the desert are not particularly impressive, just because of the lack of resources indeed. Albuquerque is half a million people. Reno is half of that. That’s tiny as far as North American cities go. In general, it doesn’t make sense to build too ambitiously around there indeed.
… well, except Las Vegas. Las Vegas I can’t make sense of. That place just makes no sense to exist.
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Part of the issue is that it is illegal to build high density outside of redlined areas.
I think water-wise are LA and especially Phoenix much worse than Vegas.