The president has used a specific rhetorical device to tackle thorny issues. Not everyone on his team is sure it’s the most effective approach.

  • @retrospectology
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    I might agree if the party politics were different, but the most likely outcome of Sanders vacating would be him being replaced with some right-wing neoliberal type.

    Perhaps if there was a progressive candidate waiting in the wings who he could help elevate in his home state as they campaign in their primary that would be another thing, but I don’t know if there actually is someone like that waiting and ready.

    Corporate neoliberal clones can be stacked up at a moments notice, genuine progressive public servant types are more rare and it takes a lot of groundwork to get them past the party establishment’s barriers to entry.

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      I might agree if the party politics were different, but the most likely outcome of Sanders vacating would be him being replaced with some right-wing neoliberal type.

      Why would you think that?

      Bernie’s state loves him, his endorsement would be a literal golden ticket to his seat…

      genuine progressive public servant types are more rare and it takes a lot of groundwork to get them past the party establishment’s barriers to entry.

      Do you think Bernie has zero staff and been doing everything his self for decades?

      • @retrospectology
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        For the reasons I outlined following that. Do you know if there is actually a progressive candidate waiting in the wings? Because if not, it will be a neolib regardless of how much his state loves him.

        There needs to be someone for him to endorse before he steps down, not after.

        • @givesomefucks
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          18 months ago

          There needs to be someone for him to endorse before he steps down, not after.

          Bruh…

          Bernie hasn’t been doing what he’s been doing alone.

          Like. What do you think a politician does all day?

          He has a team of aides, assistants, and staff who agree with his politics, know the work, and are very familiar with Vermont politics

          I’m sorry I can’t think of a simpler way to say it.

          • @retrospectology
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            Yes, I understand what you are saying, I am saying that without specifics of who would replace him I’m in no particular rush to say he should retire if he doesn’t want to, seeing as he’s in good health and still effective as a public servant.

            An age limit cuts both ways, it gets people like Biden out of office, yes, but it also potentially forces people like Sanders out during a politically disadvantageous window in which no suitable replacement is ready.

            I don’t think this is difficult to understand. I’m speaking generally as much as I am specifically about Sanders. Good, genuine progressive politicians are simply rarer than neolib business schlubs.

            • @givesomefucks
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              18 months ago

              Yes, I understand what you are saying

              You can repeat that as much as you want, it’s clearly not true…

              But this is too much time wasted on a brand new account that was in the thread I referenced doing the same shit I complained about.

              No one believes you , you’re not good at pretending to be a progressive

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                I don’t get why this is difficult to swallow. There’s no “pretending” to be progressive here, you’re acting like I’m attacking you or something.

                I’m arguing that progressives, being disadvantaged by the structure of the DNC, need to be strategic about when they leave office. Age limits create another weak point that neoliberals can exploit since they don’t have to ensure their candidates are anything but loyal to the status quo, while progressives have an uphill battle ensuring they pick principled candidates who aren’t bought out by special interests.

                Voters cannot behave as if it’s a given that a progressive will get replaced with a genuine progressive. If no forethought is put into vacating a seat, you could easily end up with a neoliberal or, arguably worse, a fake progressive situation like we saw back with Nina Turner’s loss to Shontel Brown in Ohio.

                The DNC very much wants to get a leash on the progressive caucus, and they will do that by replacement or by internal take over.