• macniel
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    7 months ago

    Yeah I don’t think ByteDance has a legal ground here.

    Also this coming from a Chinese company, is rich.

    • @[email protected]
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      307 months ago

      I’m 100% not an expert on this, I’m actually stupid, so know that before you read what I write.

      As much as I get what you are saying, the United States has continually expanded the rights of corporations to essentially be… people. So on that they seem to have some legal standing? But then we factor in national security interests, and those override everything.

      Without the national security interests I’d be curious which way this would go, but I don’t expect, “I deserve to spy on your citizens because I have free speech,” to fly…

      So in a way I agree with you and in other ways I disagree with you, in the end… I said nothing, but I did say I am stupid at the top, so really it’s your fault for continuing to read this far.

      At the very least it’s gonna be interesting. I doubt it will spark any introspection for politicians to think, “Hm, maybe we shouldn’t have given corporations more rights than people…” Nope. Poison the waters. Contaminate the soil. Torture the animals. Burn the sky. Cook all of humanity.

      But hey, line go up.

      • gila
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        197 months ago

        If Tiktok doesn’t deserve to spy on Americans, is it the counterpoint that US big tech does?

        • @[email protected]
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          127 months ago

          Only muricans get to spy on muricans! Now let’s do like the commies and nationalize TikTok so it too can be murican and then it’s ok for it to spy on muricans!

          • @assassinatedbyCIA
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            107 months ago

            The true american way is to nationalise tiktok then give it away to your donor friends like a massive handout.

        • @[email protected]
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          27 months ago

          Heck no, but conflating two arguments at the same time makes them both unsolvable. I just approach one topic at a time. I’m very much anti-gov-spying. It’s fourth amendment stuff.

          But I think the constitution is more of a talking point than something American politicians care about these days. They like to use it to say, “Do the thing I like! But wait, stop using it to stop me from stopping the things I don’t like!”

          It’s corruption all the way down.

          • gila
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            27 months ago

            You put forward a couple of different points - I’m not conflating things, just hoping to skip past the constitutional one (which in my opinion is non-sequitur) to address the other. I might have boiled it down to a one-liner, but here’s some light further reading/viewing which may help to scratch below the surface of why this corruption as you put is probably happening: https://youtu.be/Fhgm5b8BR0k

      • @[email protected]
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        87 months ago

        As much as I get what you are saying, the United States has continually expanded the rights of corporations to essentially be… people. So on that they seem to have some legal standing?

        Afaik, the Citizens United case - which gave corporations First Amendment rights - was won based on the idea that the government can’t stop a corporation from publishing books. It’ll be interesting to see how this ruling goes when it’s not about books, but about an online media platform.

        That said, I agree that the national security aspect will definitely come into play here. As a non-American, I’m curious to see how it goes.

        • Schadrach
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          37 months ago

          the Citizens United case - which gave corporations First Amendment rights

          SCOTUS has generally defended the idea that corporations have first amendment rights since Grosjean v. American Press Co. in 1936 - a case where a Senator pushed for a tax designed to target papers critical of him and tax them into submission.

          To quote Wikipedia on the case:

          The case is often cited because it defined corporations as “persons” for purposes of analysis under the Equal Protection clause.

          The Citizens United case was that a corporate entity or nonprofit distributing political messaging about a candidate is not considered a campaign contribution (even when it costs them to do so) so long as the entity in question is not attached to or coordinating with the campaign.