There are a lot of reasons not to give them your money. They’re assholes to the maker community and they openly talk shit on a lot of their customer base. That’s beside the point, though, really.

It’s just not a spectacular option for hosting. In order to get a Rpi competitive with even the shittiest laptop from 7 years ago, you’re going to end up spending more than you would spend on a decent laptop from 7 years ago.

If it is a computer that turns on, it will likely function orders of magnitude better than an Rpi and won’t bind you to ARM architecture. My entire hosting setup was pulled out of a recycling pile for free. Install ubuntu/ubuntu server and enjoy yourself.

If you intend on spending any amount of money on this hobby, I cannot express enough how much I recommend against any of that money going toward a Raspberry Pi.

EDIT: A lot of you seem to be reading this as “Raspberry Pis are all nonfunctional” and getting mad about it. Don’t do that.

Edit 2: Good to see that all the stupid parts of reddit made it here

  • @HybridSarcasm
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    The moderator team will take this as a learning opportunity. We don’t have any rules for this community specific to rudeness or insults. This post was fine as an opinion piece until Edit 2. For this reason, I’m locking the post. Additionally, we’ll be updated the community rules on the Sidebar shortly.

  • @Stupidmanager
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    I love to hate claims like this. it’s like a fart, but ends up being a shart. No truth in the source and unjustified noise and grumbles that leaves a mess and confuses people for no reason.

    Do yourself a favor, either cite links that legitimize your claims or just sign off, you’re hangry.

    • @RaoulDook
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      I’m just here to say that I’ve never heard any of the negative claims that OP makes from anyone else before.

      What I have seen and heard is that the RPi foundation doing a lot of good by providing low cost computers for educational use and anyone else who wants a good, small, and cheap computer.

      • Brad GanleyOP
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        Yes and, classically, if you specifically haven’t heard or looked into something, it’s not true so my bad

    • Brad GanleyOP
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      It really doesn’t matter to me that much if you live the rest of your life being wrong. Google is free.

  • @[email protected]
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    1001 year ago

    You seem to have conveniently left out power consumption.

    I agree they are very pricey these days. Are there any competitiors that offer cheap low-power consumption computers?

    • @[email protected]
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      It will not be that great like on Raspberry Pi, but Mini PC are also very low on energy. For example,. Wyse 5070 with J5005 idles around 3-5 W, which is really great. i had HP 800 Mini G3 that idled ~7-8W. Mini PCs are more powerful, expandable and can use normal SSD Drive. For selfhosting they are better, but in some places Raspberry Pi (or alternative like Orange Pi) will be better, especially when you need something small and really low power

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        I never heard of the orange pi!

        Some of the models are very cheap. Have you tried them? If they are as reliable, I might get myself one for a couple of projects.

        • @[email protected]
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          111 year ago

          Yes. I have Orange Pi Zero 2 with 1 GB of RAM running Ubuntu. This is actually very powerful machine, more powerful than my Raspberry Pi 3B+. i bought it for about 180 polish zloty (around 40 euros). I use it for printing server with Ghostscript printer app installed via Snap. I also tried Wireguard and MongoDB - everything works fine. it works really well, but it sits around 50 C on CPU, so it can get hot.

        • @AbidanYre
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          I tried one ~5-10 years ago and the idea was good but it didn’t have nearly the level of support that Raspis have.

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              A little bit of both IIRC.

              It used a different chipset than the raspberry so it needed a tweaked version of Raspbian to run but the drivers weren’t great and the repos were missing a lot of stuff/outdated.

              • @[email protected]
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                Ah thanks!

                Yeah that’s gonna be tricky for me then… I really don’t like to deal with driver headaches.

          • @[email protected]
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            I’ve definitely also had the experience of dodgy hardware support (in Armbian, which is all volunteer) with weird Chinese SBCs.

        • @KaJashey
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          I got an 1 gig Orange pi zero 2 with a 2 port USB expansion board. I got it from ali express with a 32gigabyte micro SD card, USB to USBC charging cable for like $40.

          I 3d printed a case for it. Provisioned it with a heatsink, fan, 18W USB power supply, and a UPS.

          I use it as an octoprint server, the extra USB ports go to a webcam and a fan if i feel like it. It’s been reliable but I’ve only had it a month. Transferring jobs is nearly instant plugged into gigabit ethernet. Transfer is via API key not web interface. Seems to do alright in the CPU department. It has to parse some of the larger jobs for a minute.

          Prints perfectly. Only had one resent packet USB packet so far. After it prints rendering out 1080P time-lapses was slow. It would hit like 70% cpu usage and take hours. Rendering out 1080P octolapses with fewer frames and less movement would hit 98% cpu use but be done very fast - like 10 min.

          They just announced an orange pi zero 3 with a similar form factor (but not exactly the same) and larger faster memory.

    • Cosmic Frog
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      Yeah, power consumption is never talked about enough when talking about that type of hardware. I do have an old PC I could use as a server, but I don’t need more heating at home. Mini-PCs are cool, but how cool are they?

      But anyway, I haven’t been able to buy a RPi at decent price in years, so 🤷🏻‍♂️

      • @[email protected]
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        Oh never looked into those, thanks!

        I wanted to get something to use as a NAS server and/or a pi-hole.

        • @[email protected]
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          Sure, yw :) There are also NAS cases for some of the SBCs, but I guess you can also go cheaper without a dedicated case and go with some icybox which allows you to connect some disks (jbod or RAID) via USB 3. So many possibilities!

    • @GustavoM
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      You seem to have conveniently left out power consumption.

      Exactly. Thus, even a rpi 4 w/ 2 GiB is serviceable enough as is if you know what you are doing.

    • Brad GanleyOP
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      You’d probably be shocked at how close a 65w supply charging a laptop battery at trickle voltages and a 2A 5v power supply maxed out 24/7 can come to each other

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        Do you have some source for that?

        I can’t see an old laptop running 24/7 as being close to a raspberry pi performing the same tasks.

      • @[email protected]
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        An RPi doesn’t max out a 2A 5V power supply unless its under heavy load. Idle is closer to half an amp.

        • Brad GanleyOP
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          If you’re hosting a server, you’re not going to get much idle time.

          • @[email protected]
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            Heavily depends on the server, a game server sure, for almost anything else you’re probably doing it wrong.

          • @[email protected]
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            What about a web server or a file server? Both are very much on-demand, so they’re chock full of idle time. Even NextCloud has a ton of idle time.

            Edit: As an aside, I love your profile pic, it’s a cool wizard :)

            • Brad GanleyOP
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              Thank you! A tiktok follower who is a tattoo artist surprised me with a drawing of me with some toads and I’ve loved it more with each passing day

  • NickwithaC
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    They’re assholes to the maker community and they openly talk shit on a lot of their customer base.

    You got receipts for such a strong claim?

  • @[email protected]
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    Euuhh what? I used to use an old pc but found out I could save about NZ$100 per year on power by switching to an RPi4. It hosts about 15 things, like sonarr, radarr, home assistant, pi hole, nzbget, photoview, Frigate, and backups, without any issues. Yes it’s not super power full but it’s perfect for me.

    • @rambos
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      You cant beat rpi with power usage, but PC can draw <10W on idle. Well my server is more like 20-25W, but thats 25ish € a year here. Rpi would be 5-10 € a year. I pay around 0.12 €/kwh in Croatia

    • @rambos
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      You cant beat rpi with power usage, but PC can draw <10W on idle. Well my server is more like 20-25W, but thats 25ish € a year here. Rpi would be 5-10 € a year. I pay around 0.12 €/kwh in Croatia. If you can save 100 nz$ you have hungry PC or your electricity is not cheap at all :)

      • @[email protected]
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        Just standard raspberry headless os. Everything running in containers except pi hole.

        I’ve installed a heat sink and a fan, triggered at 70c. Also have set some cpu docker limits on eg frigate and nzbget to ensure it doesn’t take the rest down.

        But it performs surprisingly well. Load is 1 on average, goes up a bit when eg motion is detected, an nzb is parred/extracted, or photoview is indexing stuff.

        Also recently added Paperless. Set everything to minimum, eg one document at a time.

      • redcalcium
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        Pretty sure you can use the standard raspberry pi os and run all those apps with docker or k3s

  • @[email protected]
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    Can you expand on some of this?

    I haven’t really heard much regarding them being bad to their community/customer base, though I haven’t bought in a few years.

    In regards to cost/performance, what are you meaning you’d need to spend extra on to match that of an old laptop or recycled machine?

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      Not OP, but my Lenovo tiny computer on ebay is about $60 and will run circles around a raspberry pi

      Power usage isn’t too much higher, it’s upgradeable, and it’s x86-64 architecture so more things are supported.

      My tiny has an i7 and was a bit more expensive, but it’s a powerful little guy. I added more ram for a total of 32, and it does better than my “old” server (technically from same era).

      Can’t speak for the other stuff.