More terrible range estimates incoming.
Jalopnik is mostly just quoting stuff from another article that was quoting forum posts. So its basically hearsay at this point. Still, its further evidence that Cybertruck’s range is utter crap (and these original posts seem legitimate, as they originate from pro-Tesla sites).
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How Musk is not in jail for false advertising is beyond me. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie. What about boating? He claimed Cybertruck can be used as a boat. Stupid considering the damn thing has trouble getting up the driveway on a snowy day.
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How Musk is not in jail for false advertising
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There’s redundant air lines and valves in the wheel arches which are connected to the already existing internal tyre inflation system.
I’m not a musk sympathiser, in fact I massively dislike him. I’m just telling you that this thing is designed to float eventually with some external floats.
They did it with the M551 Sheridan and that’s 15000kg
I mean, any car will float with external floats
Yes, any train or plane would do that too. Your comment doesn’t make must worng.
My point it already has the hardware and capability to theoretically inflate and deflate those hypothetical external floats by itself.
I’m just pointing out musk probably at least did have a plan for the boat thing although who fucking knows what (if any) will actually come of it
Oh, I see what you’re saying. I didn’t make the connection between air lines for the tires and external floats
It will never work that way. I’m also highly doubtful in the range extender materializing.
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Then why does it explode when it gets wet?
and that shitty capacity is only going to decrease throughout the life of those batteries.
🤦🏻♂️People are so gullible.
Here are some links that further elaborate on why, more than any other car company, you shouldn’t trust Tesla’s estimates: https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/23/23928563/tesla-doj-ev-range-exaggerate-investigation
https://electrek.co/2023/07/27/tesla-vastly-overstates-its-vehicles-range-report-states/
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-range-exaggeration-lawsuit-breakdown/
Not necessarily. There may be a software update down the line that improves it, which Tesla has done before. I think that update only added about 5% though so it doesn’t exactly look good.
Right. as time goes on, the lithium ion battery capacity will continue to degrade until it’s just like that crappy laptop in the closet that only runs if it’s plugged in. Batteries have a limited number of times they can be recharged. Only way to fix it is to either rebuild the battery, or replace the battery. Either is expensive, but not sure if it’s cheaper than the cost of charging and replacing versus gas for the same time period. Remember, you can’t charge your car for free. You either pay a higher electric bill, or pay a fee at the supercharger station. Lower end is about 25 bucks to charge up to full from 0 at a super charger. Compared to the last time I gassed up my Yaris, I paid 27 bucks, and I get about 250 miles from that full tank. Not sure if a tesla actually beats that or not. Doesn’t sound like the Cybertruck does though.
Anecdotally, 0-80% at a supercharger on my M3 costs about $15, but I live in an area with relatively cheap power. It’s also much less expensive (about 50% less) if you charge at home.
I have a hunch that it’s driving the tri-motor configuration incorrectly, and I wonder if it’s getting less horsepower as well.
I live in a ridiculously cheap area and my former Model 3 was $4.50 to charge fully.
That said, my friend in California would pay 7x what I pay so it really wouldn’t work for them.
Speak of the devil!
though so it doesn’t exactly look good.
They very clearly understand it’s shit. Stop acting like “gotcha gullible idiot”.
Ladies and gentlemen, the tech bro Tesla defender has logged on.
At this point, I’d call this a astroturfer brigade!
Evidently, it’s easier to create bot accounts on kbin.social.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/23/23928563/tesla-doj-ev-range-exaggerate-investigation
https://electrek.co/2023/07/27/tesla-vastly-overstates-its-vehicles-range-report-states/
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-range-exaggeration-lawsuit-breakdown/
You’re a fucking moron.
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Tesla suck
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I have like 40,000 karma and thousands of posts over months, but sure I’m a Tesla bot account who was waiting for this moment to say Tesla is shit. You got me.
As a moderator:
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This post was reported, so I’ll talk about it here.
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I recognize that you’ve been called a bot, and therefore you feel the need to “hit back”. That’s fine. But note that this discussion is getting too heated now and we need to take a step back and have a breather.
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@[email protected]: Please don’t call other users bots unnecessarily. I think we’re all in agreement with the facts here. Tesla EVs can theoretically change their range with software updates, but such changes remain small and relatively unsubstantial (~5% range). Tempers have gotten testy here somehow. In my experience, its important for me to nuke discussions from orbit to stop them at this point. Please do not continue upon this insulting-path. I’m deleting many replies in this topic now to help calm things down.
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I don’t know how you’re browsing KBin, so it may be showing up incorrectly for you but that comment was a reply to a different person calling me a bot.
I was saying 40K karma and the massive brand-risk things I say daily proves I’m not a bot.
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Please address the comment you’re applying to, because this reads a lot like you don’t actually have a response to it.
There’s some kind of misunderstanding between you and @eltimablo. I’ve removed both of your posts / insult-fest from below. Please be nicer.
As far as I can tell, everyone agrees that Tesla regularly lies about range estimates. But also EV firmware updates can change ranges (though only through small amounts: like 5% due to various software optimizations and the like). I think the disagreement between the two of you was revolving on how much this matters. But the bulk of both of your points seemed to be agreed upon, so I’m confused why the discussion got out of hand.
How does any of this relate to “software updates can improve EV range” in any way whatsoever? In no way have I suggested that Tesla didn’t lie about their ranges.
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Mate, what?
I was defending you.
Oh shit, my bad. Your icon looked a lot like the other guy’s and I completely misread what you wrote.
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The cybertruck isn’t going to sell in significant volumes. As far as I can tell, it’s a halo car and an exercise in marketing.
I’d feel sorry for people who bought it, if I didn’t know how much they’d paid for one.
Oh well.
They were warned.
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Oh no how will i drive to the grocery store 250 miles away now
I actually live in an area where a round trip of ~650km (400 miles) every 3 months is cheaper than buying from the local chain stores.
The upcharge on my dog food alone pays for my gas ($80CAD/BAG vs $100+shipping), and the distance is why I chose a PHEV over a full electric. If I had believed Musk and gotten a top end cyber truck with its “500 mile” range, I would have gotten stranded trying to buy groceries.
And before anyone comments on the price I pay for dog food; it’s literally the only dry food I have found that doesn’t upset her stomach, and even all the raw food brands I have tried upset her stomach occasionally.
I’ve got some family out in Rural Washington State. I can believe it if you live somewhere like where my uncle lives. I only know one person in my entire social network / family / etc. etc. who lives in such a rural area though, so its pretty rare indeed. But a lot of Canadian areas are like Rural Washington State IIRC.
Grew up in Douglas county. Remember the looks we’d get buying 10 gallons of milk.
I do not believe you
The closest Walmart is a similar distance in the other direction.
The “wholesale” here bulk buys from Costco and adds $1-10 to the price tags depending on the item. At $80 per tank of gas, it’s very easy to justify the trip.
Damn, Canada be wide
Oh you have several grocery stores nearby, you just wanna go to costco
Now you are just being obtuse.
As I mentioned earlier, driving that far for groceries and supplies in general - not just Costco, but the pet store, import store, hardware store, etc is comparatively cheap enough to justify the drive.
Again, my dog food alone pays for the gas unfortunately.
