So how is this any different, in their minds, from stealing?
They take a loan out to buy a car. They clearly have 0 intention of paying that loan off by citing some sovereign citizen encantation.
How can they reconcile that in their heads?
“I deserve free things at the cost of others, because I’m clever”?
Scum, regardless of your libertarian philosophy.
In their minds, they’re not stealing, they just paying with unexpected money.
They’re saying “send the bill to my secret government trust account”, since they think everyone secretly has one of those that the government opened when they were born and use for Purposes™.Sometimes they just think they’ve found a loophole. It’s not stealing because it’s legal.
If someone offers you a car for free, you’d be silly not to take the offer,even if afterwards they say they would have liked you to give them a pile of money.They’re saying “send the bill to my secret government trust account”, since they think everyone secretly has one of those that the government opened when they were born and use for Purposes™.
If they really don’t think they’re stealing, then they would be transparent about their method of payment up front. I very highly doubt they would have received financing if they communicated that expectation while applying.
So it seems more like bad faith excuses than actual belief in what they’re doing.
I can’t speak to their intent or internal state of mind, only to what they seem to say they’re trying to do.
I can say though, that I wouldn’t assume consistency or rational action to be things I would expect of people who think the capitalization of their name is the difference between them and a shell corporation opened under maritime law by way of their “berth certificate”.
Either way what they’re doing is fraud.
I would guess that they were told by some “guru” how exactly to do it, and never questioned the magic words.
Consequences of trying to have unexpected money is expected boot up the ass
It started with alternative science, now we have alternative law.
I’ve noticed that these companies are starting to call out the sovCit scam by name, so it seems they’ve had a gut-full as well…
I know it’s a play as old as time but I’m sure the shit EXPLODED in the internet age. I’d bet most companies have a form letter at this point.
Saying authorities have rejected their defence seems… counterproductive? Their whole argument is that they don’t accept the court’s authority.
Too bad what they accept doesn’t matter.
This seems more like a polite “We see what you’re trying to do and in court you may not realize you will not win” than a “pay us now” letter. I’d guess this is more so that the company can show the court they tried to be reasonable. Doesn’t matter either way how the person responds, unless it’s with a payment.
That letter is from Carvana.
This was satisfying to read, thanks for sharing!
It’s hilarious that companies have dedicated sovcit reply letters.
Bet repo agents and bounty hunters love the sovcit movement.
New theory: They started it. Vertical integration for the win!
Now that’s a fucking conspiracy theory!
That’s got to be a fun job. Use the taser every time they use SovCit terminology, like a drinking game. See how many points you can rack up.
Shit, I may have found a new calling.
You definitely can’t use a Taser as a repo and you have to be afraid of nutcases with weapons
A car payment is cheaper than a lawyer…
What lawyer is going to work with someone who thinks they can use “coupon” magic money to pay for contracted services rendered?
Public defenders don’t have a choice unfortunately
Fortunately, they don’t need to rely on their client paying them.
Of course, a LOT of these sovcit cases are civil, and you generally only have that right to a free attorney in criminal court. Which is some stupid bullshit, but it is reality.
I think even if this stupid sovcit bullshit did end up being the magic words that somehow worked, I wouldn’t want to do it because of the sheer amount of paperwork involved.
I heat you there. I read all the paperwork they were about to fill out and remembered why I’m not a lawyer or accountant. Paperwork is not my thing
DJ Screw used to lean and see where that got him
RIP dog cause I really miss you
Bones, I’ve been enjoying these sovcit posts. Some of these (maybe all) are years old, are there no posts from these folks when reality comes crashing down?
I just keep picking them out of my Facebook posts where I’m starting to annoy my friends with them lol, so it’s kind of a snapshot of whatever I saw. But they’re not very good about telling us their failures.
