• @Nurse_Robot
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    36710 months ago

    I’m a fan of this. It’s better to offer content with context and education than to fully censor it.

    • @halcyoncmdr
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      7110 months ago

      100% this is the way things should be handled. If we get rid of or hide mistakes of the past, they will simply be repeated as people forget.

      A note about historical context is an easy, and small solution to acknowledge the change in society without altering the original content.

    • @9715698
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      2910 months ago

      Metal Gear Solid Master Collection did this as well.

  • @Cruxifux
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    10510 months ago

    Imma just be pissed if her tiddies ain’t triangles.

  • @Copernican
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    7410 months ago

    But when will Nintendo start issuing those warnings for Mario games?

  • @FontMasterFlex
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    4510 months ago

    This is fine, no issues really, but if you’re offended by something in a video game fictional story that was made over 20 years ago you should go touch grass.

    • @Zahille7
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      2510 months ago

      They did the same thing with the Destroy All Humans! remakes. Which was probably needed, because the Japanese level in 2 is really iffy

      • @FontMasterFlex
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        810 months ago

        eh. i get the ‘need’ for these companies to have the disclaimers and i honestly appreciate that they are not changing anything here. but the mob is fickle and seemingly can’t distinguish real life from the online life where being offended somehow gives them clout.

      • Queen HawlSera
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        Yeah the Japan level made my jaw drop… the early 2000’s really were the last time you could be this blatantly racist against the Asian Community in popular media… But I’d rather go “Oooof” than pretend the game and by extension society was never like this.

    • @Katana314
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      510 months ago

      Even if I agree some games have gone too far on censorship, I don’t like having this totalitarian attitude to any kind of “offense”.

      There are certain weird themes I really like in niche games, but I acknowledge if they were “thrown in” to a game about shooting or adventure, would sour the experience for a lot of common players. I’d point to perverted character designs as a common one - sexualized character designs are obviously appealing to some players, but to others they can actually make it hard to get absorbed in the story of a game like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 or Nier Automata. Even for a series like Persona, there have been players that decided “What weeb shit” and abandon the game because of the way female characters get harassed at times.

      It’s easy to call it “political”, but politics comes from personal opinions - and it can genuinely affect how people view the media. These days I have a much more vehement reaction to stereotyped Native-American depictions (“Indians”) over when I was a kid. I doubt it’d make me hate Tomb Raider, but I can see why they’d have a warning.

    • @[email protected]
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      Do you see any merit to the pushback against such media?

      You sound like you favor rationalism, and I agree with dismissing people who are crazy, but setting crazy people aside, do you see potential harm in promoting negative racial and ethnic stereotypes?

      • @FontMasterFlex
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        Stereotypes exist for a reason. They aren’t made up, non-existent characteristics. 90% of people that are getting offended by such things are not even part of the group that’s being stereotyped. It’s usually white liberals that are “offended” by any of this. Are they beneficial? probably not, but they sure are not nearly as harmful as people like you make them out to be. As a straight white man, I’m vilified by the mob regardless of my positions on anything, and that in itself is a stereotype. So I don’t put any stock into hypocritical perceived slights against humanity.

        • @[email protected]
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          610 months ago

          Got it, so you have a major victim complex and don’t really have a rational argument for the rest. Thank you for at least being clear

            • @[email protected]
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              110 months ago

              Stereotypes exist for a reason. They aren’t made up, non-existent characteristics.

              As a straight white man, I’m vilified by the mob regardless of my positions on anything, and that in itself is a stereotype.

              You rationalized deserving vilification, and whinged about what a victim you are. You can’t think this conversation is in your favor.

              • @FontMasterFlex
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                010 months ago

                sorry my life doesn’t revolve around your internet drama. got real shit to deal with. like work. and life. idgaf what you think about me of what point you think you’re making. have fun with what little “power” you think you have here. i couldn’t care less about this.

                • @[email protected]
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                  110 months ago

                  Who the hell doesn’t?

                  You’re the one out online here spewing your opinion that what other people care about isn’t important.

                  Once again you reveal yourself a hypocrite

        • @[email protected]
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          210 months ago

          As a straight white man, I’m vilified by the mob regardless of my positions on anything, and that in itself is a stereotype

          Lmao you dingus

    • @EdibleFriend
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      9410 months ago

      The stereotype that old British men are all butlers who get off on being locked in the freezer.

        • @EdibleFriend
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          Of course it isn’t. I am clearly making a joke. lol holy crap this is happening every single day on lemmy now whats happening to this place?

          • purplexed
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            1510 months ago

            I think you were both making jokes

          • @pete_the_cat
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            210 months ago

            Sarcasm is damn near impossible to pick up over text unless it’s extremely obvious.

            • @EdibleFriend
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              310 months ago

              If it’s extremely subtle sarcasm yes. I agree. There was nothing subtle about my post though

              • @pete_the_cat
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                110 months ago

                I agree, but I’ve done the same thing before and people have totally taken it seriously.

                • @EdibleFriend
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                  210 months ago

                  That doesn’t mean it’s extremely hard to pick up on obvious sarcasm. It just means some people are morons lol.

          • @FontMasterFlex
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            210 months ago

            people with an extreme moral superiority complex emboldened by the anonymity of the internet.

          • Altima NEO
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            110 months ago

            Yeah, I crack sarcastic Jokes all the time and it feels like no one on Lemmy gets sarcasm

            • @Buddahriffic
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              210 months ago

              I like to call them deadpan instead of sarcasm. Sarcasm has a tone to let others know that it isn’t serious, while deadpan relies fully on the content itself.

              I had a lot more deadpan comments crash and burn on Reddit than here. And even in this case, someone just questioned the comment while it had overall positive reception. I think Lemmy generally gets deadpan.

            • @[email protected]
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              310 months ago

              I’m sorry, but another user has already confirmed that some British men prefer being locked in the pantry so it isn’t accurate.

    • IHeartBadCode
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      While Crystal Dynamics didn’t specify which content it’s referring to, it’s speculated that it could be the animalistic depiction of Pacific Island natives in Tomb Raider 3, who are implied to be cannibals.

    • @reversebananimals
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      There might be others, but The Dagger of Xian plotline in Tomb Raider II is a little “woo woo Chinese mysticism”. You plunge it into your heart and turn into a dragon.

      I’m not offended by it but I’d imagine that’s not the kind of thing you’d write in a video game today.

    • @Tash
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      While Crystal Dynamics didn’t specify which content it’s referring to, it’s speculated that it could be the animalistic depiction of Pacific Island natives in Tomb Raider 3, who are implied to be cannibals.

      Like the fictional Indiana Jones style villages? Or the real life North Sentinel Island Sentinelese? I’m scratching my head too…

      • chaogomu
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        The North Sentinel Island Sentinelese are not cannibals. They just want nothing to do with anyone not born on the island.

        Which is a good policy to have, seeing as how the British genocided the rest of the Andaman Islands. They even landed on North Sentinel, kidnapped a few old people and children, and then sent the survivors back as plague bearers. (this was in 1880)

        • @Regrettable_incident
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          1410 months ago

          Yeah, it’s getting pretty hard to be an isolated community anywhere these days. Looks like these guys in the nicobar islands may be fucked.

    • @grayhaze
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      1010 months ago

      Dinosaurs without feathers.

    • sbr32
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      In what world is that a question for a reasonable person?

      A media company remade and re-released a piece of media and acknowledged that there may be problematic content, but that we should consider the time the media was made.

      You don’t need to know what the problematic content is, just accept their statement on it.

      • RBG
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        5310 months ago

        In what world is that an answer for a reasonable person?

      • Pendulum
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        4810 months ago

        “Shut up and consume”

        That’s not how this works

      • Transporter Room 3
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        4710 months ago

        you don’t need to know what the problematic content is

        You seem like the kind of person who would become a moderator, start banning people and when they ask why they were banned you would block them after replying “lol get fucked”

        In what way is acquiring more knowledge a bad thing? If I don’t recognize any possible problematic content, but other people say it’s there, why shouldn’t I be a Le to ask what’s problematic about it? Have I been going around being casually racist without knowing?

        Like damn my dude you’re getting pissed at people for wanting to better themselves.

      • @Nudding
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        1210 months ago

        Then they don’t need me to buy their shit lol.

      • @squid_slime
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        I’d still like to know… Might be a deal breaker

  • Queen HawlSera
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    Honestly I’m glad we’ve moved from “Censor out anything that might be slightly objectionable” (Like they did with Sam & Max for example, and I believe the GTA Trilogy got hit with a bit of this), to “Look the game is old and from a different time, what society deems acceptable is always changing, deal with it or move on.”

    I’m so beyond tired of being told I can’t have a steak because a baby can’t chew it. I actually bought this three pack solely because it didn’t censor Tomb Raider, a game I was very sure they were going to censor

    • @samus12345
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      Like they did with Sam & Max

      I had to look that one up since I had no recollection of anything that stood out as offensive. Most seemed silly to change to me, but I do agree with changing the line about the goggles being designed for special needs children after Sam referred to Max’s “hideously oversized skull.”

      • Queen HawlSera
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        Sam & Max didn’t cause that much of a fuss because all purchases of it came with the original version of the game, but the censoring was still cringe.

  • @[email protected]
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    Genuinely struggling to remember what that could even be about.

    I mean, it’s been like 25 years since I played them, but I don’t recall any obviously bad things in there. It’s not like it was filled with old Jackie Chan film levels of cartoon racism.

    • Herbal Gamer
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      1310 months ago

      I think there were some “jungle tribe” type enemies somewhere but don’t quote me on that

    • Queen HawlSera
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      210 months ago

      In Tomb Raider 3 an antagonist faction includes black men who want to eat Laura, and not in the same way I do if you catch my meaning.

      • @PieMePlenty
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        I haven’t played it but that doesn’t sound racist to me if the context is right. There are cannibal tribes today. They are black skinned. This is fact.

    • @[email protected]
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      And is what they should do rather than trying to delete it.

      Provide context so that future generations can enjoy what’s good about the media and acknowledge how parts of the content/media are problematic and not appropriate.

    • @pete_the_cat
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      1410 months ago

      Something I and probably everyone else forgets is that Looney Tunes was made in the 1930s and 1940s, not the 1990s.

  • cum
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    1910 months ago

    Much better then censoring the original content. Should also give a warning for dangerously sharp tiddies!

  • THCDenton
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    1410 months ago

    Lo Wang has entered the chat.

    • @Shadywack
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      410 months ago

      Do you want to wash wang, or watch Wang, wash wang?

    • @samus12345
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      310 months ago

      WHOOOO want-a some Wang?

  • @merthyr1831
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    1210 months ago

    didn’t need to be news does it?

    • @Mr_Blott
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      610 months ago

      No but they have to make it news before some teenager who just learned about virtue signalling goes off on one because their mum paid more attention to Candy Crush than them

  • @yamanii
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    I’m glad they did that, change on a remake or something, I don’t recall if they actually did it for Anniversary since it was still a ps2 game, but if games are art they should be preserved as they were, this is just a remaster that you can even play with the old graphics if you want.

  • @[email protected]
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    810 months ago

    Isn’t this what the ESRB rating description is for? We label games M for Mature if there’s swearing, blood, violence, and sex, but not for insensitive cultural stereotypes?

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    610 months ago

    Neat, I’m with everyone here when I say this is the much better solution.I’d prefer it to be a bit more clear of a warning and a bit less of a company apology so people who do need the warnings such as younger kids are informed and not immediately put off by playing something almost immediately presented as ‘inexcusable’.