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Two men charged with murder in last week’s shooting after the Kansas City Chiefs’ Super Bowl parade were strangers who pulled out guns and began firing within seconds of starting an argument, according to court documents released Tuesday.
Missouri prosecutors said at a news conference that Lyndell Mays, of Raytown, Missouri, and Dominic Miller, of Kansas City, Missouri, have been charged with second-degree murder and several weapons counts in the shooting that left one person dead and roughly two dozen others injured.
Both men were shot during the melee, according to probable cause affidavits. Both have been hospitalized since, Jackson County prosecutor Jean Peters Baker said during a news conference.
The argument began when two groups of people grew agitated over the belief that people in the other group were staring at them, according to affidavits from police. Surveillance video shows Mays and someone with him aggressively approached the other group, police say.
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The argument began when two groups of people grew agitated over the belief that people in the other group were staring at them, according to affidavits from police.
I just wanna emphasize the stupidity that started this whole fuckin thing.
Add on to it that the first shooter chose to shoot at someone running away. The whole thing is just asinine.
Stupidity? “Er you lookin’ at me??” is a classic murder motivation! Traditional, even
Act 1, Scene 1 of Romeo and Juliet starts the same way, with the deadly sword fight over a hand gesture.
A tale as old as time, sadly.
🎵 Tale as old as time 🎵
And presumably they were celebrating the same team… Or maybe stupid just is.
Ego once again causing senseless violence. What a stupid fucking thing to throw your life away over.
Worse is losing your life because of someone else’s ego. Fucking wastes of oxygen, these killers.
A terrible tragedy which illustrates the terrible impact gun culture has on this country. Two groups in which someone believed that using a gun would solve a perceived conflict.
No matter what our future gun control looks like, one aspect that we need to address is the culture around firearms. We need to rid gun owners of the belief that firearms are a solution to disagreements and anything but the absolute last resort in protecting life.
By conservative logic, shouldn’t the guy who shot 2nd get off on self defense?
No.
Read the article:
Idiot #1 “He said he chose a random person from the other group to shoot at as that person was running away, the affidavit says.”
If the affidavit is true, this dude is going to have zero credible claim to self defense. It is an affirmative defense based on reasonableness. Having admitted to picking a “random person” who was also running away, its not likely he’ll be able to argue self defense.
Idiot #2 “When investigators told Miller they had video of him chasing someone in Mays’ group and shooting, Miller admitted to firing four to five shots, the affidavit said.”
Looks like they have video evidence he also gave pursuit. There are possible scenarios in which someone could give chase to someone who has already shot them and still claim self-defense, but its exceedingly rare that this would be successful in court. Generally you have to be able to articulate a reasonable and imminent threat, and as a private citizen in public you are unlikely to succeed on this claim if the person is running away from you.
He feared for his life. There was gunshots coming from that group and the person running away could just be trying to get to a better position to continue fire. Open and closed self defense claim.
