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Douchebag incorporated
Someone said on hacker news that he is doing it to force open Ai to share their secrets.
There’s no real secret. They scraped the collected works of humanity with no regard for intellectual property rights and are now hiding behind the guise of being a “non-profit” company, despite raking in loads.
I get the last part of your comment, where they make money from their AI’s, but I’m curious if you could explain why them scraping everything on the internet is a bad thing? I’m really curious, as I see it more as an advantage that they could scrape just everything rather than a disadvantage: if we start getting LLMs that only scrape certain sites or certain topics, we’re just making the echo chambers even more defined.
Them scraping everything feels a bit like the internet era where APIs were open and semi-unlimited.
I do get that them having used , for example, all the Tolkien books as part of their dataset, and users being able to ask their tools to “write a new LOTR” book, could be seen as a problem, but even then it’s only a problem when they commercialise it, and we have laws in place for those things. Fanfics have always been a thing and are just the same, except that it takes more effort as it’s a human writing it.
Again: I’m really curious about your view and opinion, as you can see that mine is quite different.
There is a secret somewhere, because they are doing a lot better than Microsoft and Google. :)
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it’s not the worst thing in the world to fight for AI to be completely open
No, but is that really what Musk is trying to do here?
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My point was more that I’m not sure what he’s doing counts as “fighting to keep AI open”. I mean, yes, that may be the stated purpose, but I really don’t believe that’s what he’s getting at
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Must be true if Musk said it
Might be easier to force them to change their name if they ain’t “open” (source) anymore /s
Not gonna lie, their name is a huge annoyance for me. They’re about as open as Bill Gates is a philanthropist
Yeah well can’t really argue with that
it fundamentally accuses OpenAI and its CEO, Sam Altman, of pretending to run a nonprofit designed to benefit humanity while actually running a regular ol’ tech company and trying to make a lot of money.
Coming from the same guy that promotes free speech by banning those that disagree with him.
Yeah there’s some serious hypocrisy there but honestly I don’t mind a him poking at openai the slightest, actually I’m happy about it. If he happens to burn some good money in that lawsuit without establishing anything, that doesn’t hurt anyone either
Funny thing, he’s not only spending his own money. He’s burning the taxpayer’s money too.
All these useless lawsuits takes up important resources but lucky us that Elon has a taxable income…
As a statement you can’t, but as an explanation of breach of contract, a first year law student certainly could.
Read a bit of the court filing, not the whole thing though since you get the gist pretty early on. Jornos put spin on everything, so here’s my understanding of the argument:
- Musk, who has given money to OpenAI in the past, and thus can legally file a complaint, states that
- OpenAI, which is a registered as an LLC, and which is legally a nonprofit, and has the stated goal of benefitting all of humanity has
- Been operating outside of its legally allowed purpose, and in effect
- Used its donors, resources, tax status, and expertise to create closed source algorithms and models that currently exclusively benefit for-profit concerns (Musk’s attorney points out that Microsoft Bing’s AI is just ChatGPT) and thus
- OpenAI has created a civil tort (a legally recognized civil wrong) wherein
- Money given by contributors would not haven been given had the contributors been made aware this deviation from OpenAI’s mission statement and
- The public at large has not benefited from any of OpenAI’s research, and thus OpenAI has abused its preferential tax status and harmed the public
It’s honestly not the worst argument.
I actually agree with this. This technology should be open. I know that there are arguments to keep it closed, like it could be misused, etc. However, I think that all the scary stories about AI are also a way to keep attention away from the fact that if you have a monopoly on it, you have enormous power. This power will grow when the tech is used more and more. If all this power is in the hands of a commercial business (even though they say they aren’t), then you know AI is going to be misused to gain money. We do not have clear insight in what they are doing and we have no reason to trust them.
You also know that bad actors, like dictatorial governments will eventually get or develop the technology themselves. So, keeping it closed is not a good way to protect it from that happening. At the same time, you are also keeping it from researchers who could investigate how to use and develop it further to be used responsibly and to the benefit of humanity.
Also, they relied on data generated by people in society who never got any payment or anything for that. So, it is immoral to not share the results with that same people in society openly and instead keeping it closed. I know they used some of my papers. However, I am not allowed to study their model. Seems unfair.
The dangers of AI should be kept at bay using regulation and enforcement by democratically chosen governments, not by commercial businesses or other non-democratic organisations.
I don’t want Musk to be right, but I have to admit, it sounds legit.
Yeah, fuck “it’s not in the terms of a contract”. It’s fraud.
You can’t advertise yourself as a nonprofit organization for the public good, collect donations under that pretense, then just privatize anything you learn for profit.
People don’t donate to for profit companies.
Who would expect that… His madness is progressing visibly in front of everyone’s eyes
This isn’t madness it’s just attention seeking and stupidity. You know when you get a dumb idea and someone tells you no that’s a dumb idea or you just eventually realize it is? Imagine if you have a dumb idea and everyone around you just tells you it’s a great idea and also you have an inflated ego and nothing you do has any meaningful consequences at all. Also everyone around you stands to potentially profit from your dumbness so they really egg you on. You start to look the fool quite quickly.
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