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And my IT team pushed this release as a required update, immediately, as soon as it dropped. And now they’ve learned a lesson. Wait a week or two on major point releases.
From what I understand, 14.4 was also a HUGE security release for active exploits in the wild. It might have been better overall to deal with temporary broken usb functionality than risk a severe vulnerability remaining on their network.
Seperate security from major updates maybe?
What moron decided to bundle both of those updates together?14.4 wasn’t that major of an update, it was mostly the security updates.
Why did it break so many things then?
Because of the security update part of things.
From the article:
The USB hub issue may be related to the USB security prompts that Apple introduced in macOS 13 Ventura
It also seems to have fixed a major memory leak bug for me, though I’ve only used it for a week or so now. Thank god.
My company paused the rollout once all these bugs started appearing. They pushed it live before knowing how the GM was being received at scale.
If you have enough people to call them an IT team and they DON’T know this, then they aren’t an IT team, just a bunch of people who think they know computers good.
Source: Delayed updates have been policy everywhere I have ever worked since the 90s.
I’ve been in tech for decades, so I know what they’re supposed to do, but my several thousand person company’s IT has decided to roll Mac updates out immediately for some weird reason
That said, we’re in an industry where there is likely legal risk if office machines are not running OS’ with all the latest security patches. But by pushing patches immediately, they also expose the company to technical problems or security vulnerabilities that accidentally appear in the occasional new release.
I think somebody said, but there’s the misconception that Apple can never do wrong by people who should know better.
On the other end of the spectrum, my IT department is rolling new laptops for everybody will l with Windows 10. The plan is to upgrade everybody “the day we can no longer have support for 10”.
Waiting until the last minute to do something necessary is a corporate tradition along with pushing emergency changes on a Friday afternoon and asking how much the LTS support costs
It’s not even waiting for the last moment. They are installing windows 10 on the new machines, that come with W11.
I mean XP didn’t hit EOL until 2019 so you might have another 15 years of security patches left on 10.
Exactly. Unfortunately there is an tendency in some IT circles to just trust anything Apple pushes out because it’s Apple and it just (allegedly) works.
These tend to be IT teams where they all use Mac and iPhones.
That may be fine at home where the consequences of a bad update aren’t world ending, but in Enterprise this is inexcusable. They should know better than that.
You would think… but they new before that it was a bad idea. Someone above them said “I don’t care, just do it”. They also probably said something about metrics.
Fucking metrics
That’s why it is wiser to update when .01 .02 release launches.
Apple: just works.
My ass.
Yup. Yesterday my mac turned my external display pink. The monitor was connected directly to the HDMI socket on the M1.
Tell me a more iconic duo than external devices and a panicking mac.
This used to happen to me regularly with a Dell panel. It would turn anything white pink. I found creating a custom colour profile and playing around with it until the whites were white again solved it. Then occasionally it would decide to revert to the default colour profile for no reason.
Stupidly frustrating but I’m passing on the tip incase it helps.
What I meant by “turned pink” is that the display showed only bright pink color and the mac display had a single corrupted line of pixels on it.
Oh ouch. Haven’t experienced that.
Courage. Magic. We think you gonna love it.
As someone using android/windows in private life and MacOS for work, I can confirm. As long as its Apple, it works. But as soon as you use any third party software or hardware, its completly bugged.
I cannot even agree to that. Like I get that the settings takes minutes to reload after a reboot. And I need to get in there because it always resets my mouse speed to the slowest possible. But I cannot change it because there are no settings for the mouse directly after a fresh boot! It is so absurd.
Using a mac daily for work, no it doesn’t. Some built in software features keep fucking up, external device or not. Like the “pause music” button, which stopped working entirely on my mac no matter if you press it on the builtin or external keyboard, the multi desktop which keep fucking up and putting apps on top of other apps that are fullscreen, making them barely usable…
We agree on the external device part though, it can decide to stop working with stuff you used for months for no good reason
All this on an M2 pro that came out a year ago
I still think my 2012 Macbook Pro with the Highres screen was peak Apple. It’s been downhill ever since, but the current releases of macOS and iOS are a an extra special kind of crap. The worst part: it’s still miles ahead of Windows.
Windows tends to work with ever you throw at it though. Plug it in and somehow it will find a way to work.
That is a side effect of being most dominant OS. Hardware manufacturers naturally support it otherwise there’s no point in manufacturing hardware.
Is it though? I have 2 different USB adapters that work perfectly out of the box for my Windows, Ubuntu and Android devices, but my 2016 mac pro just kernel panicked every time I used either one of them.
And very recently I got my M1 to shit the bed by having a HDMI display connected to the HDMI port.
Point is, Windows integration worked fine, or at least worked. Linux is kind of the odd thing in the story as no other OS has that many people testing and reporting bugs with such a stupidly fast development cycle. So no surprise there. Am guessing Mac developers do bare minimum when it comes to features for hardware support that is not theirs and be done with it. When it crashes, they advise to get “Apple™” thing.
To be fair, when are printers not broken?
Buy a brother LaserJet and never worry again.
Brother gang, rise up
Brothers, even.
Our Brother sewing machine is fantastic. It doesn’t print though
You know, we also have a very sturdily built Brother sewing machine and I never noticed that they’re the same company that made our printer.
Maybe it’s a sibling company ?
What are you doing, step-printer!?
Technically it does. Just not through PC.
That’s right…
Amen, Brother.
100%. I got the Brother HL-2370DW and it served me well, but it’s a black-and-white laser printer and sometimes I needed to print in color. I got fed up dealing with inkjet printers so I got the Brother HL-3270CDW. It’s great at printing off props and visual aids for my weekly tabletop game and so on.
It’s not technically “perfect” - sometimes a Mac will fail to print to them wirelessly and say they printed fine (and that seems to be an issue on the Mac side) and I think we average maybe one paper jam per year - but it’s as close to perfect as I’ve ever gotten with a printer.
You have no idea how much I regret buying a Canon Pixmass printer on offer for 50€. I should have just sucked it up and coughed up 100 more to get a damn Brother laser printer.
Well,at least now I get to replace ink cartridges every week or so and I get to print my ass on photographic paper.
Live and learn I guess.
I haven’t had a broken printer in years!
My local library branch is walking distance and has free printing, so I got rid of my printer.
Awesome!
Last time I tried to print from a library, it was print-to-pdf wasn’t an easy thing, and laptops were rare and underpowered. So printing from a different computer was hard if that computer didn’t have the same programs.
I’m glad things have gotten better and you are able to use the library!
Back before bubblejets existed, it was a fucktonne less frequent.
Dot Matrix FTW!
…30 years ago?
30 years ago meaning the late 60s early 70s right?
ಥ_ಥ
My library was using dot matrix clear until 1998 when they finally got enough funding to be modernized. Wauwatosa public library in Milwaukee county mind you. Not a small dollar donor supported space.
I have no way of responding to this that can’t be interpreted as an insult so I’m just blocking you.
I genuinely don’t understand this reply (like, what they were upset about), anyone have any ideas?
This update causes my Jetbrains IDE to randomly crash several times a day, it’s great. Also my USB hubs wouldn’t work this morning until I power cycled everything a few times. What fun!
Ahh. This is why PyCharm is crashing on me all of a sudden.
My PyCharm has been more stable after I quit the Jetbrains Toolbox app. No crashes today at all.
But there are more emojis and now it integrates with icloud toilet to store your bowel movement stats in the Health app.
Who the fuck even needs usb hubs?
On a macbook? You can’t plug a normal keyboard in without a USB hub because there’s no USB-A port
You already have one keyboard, don’t need another one. What? The butterfly keys are broken? Shouldn’t have broken them I guess 🤷♂️
I think the joke didn’t take with a lot of people
Literally anyone with an apple product because they don’t include enough ports to plug in basic shit like a mouse or thumb drive? There’s an entire product lines of hubs that are compact and flush with the laptop that exists solely because of apple
I regularly use a USB hub/Thunderbolt dock on my laptop. I sometimes have 5 devices plugged in at once (mouse, keyboard, MIDI keyboard, audio interface, hard drive).
Definitely skipping that update then. Thanks for the warning
Looks like there are two separate issues addressed in the articles. 1. You have to approve USB devices that are plugged into your Mac. I believe the fix is to unplug USB devices and plug them back in. 2. Microsoft Defender is crashing CUPS unless you manually give it full disk access. Either give it full disk access or remove Microsoft Defender from your Mac.
ETA: I just checked and I’m ok 14.4. No problems printing but it did ask me to confirm that I trusted every new USB device that I plug in.
Microsoft Defender exists for Mac? What?
My guess is it is for some corporate security policy that requires the same endpoint management. I had no idea it existed either before I read the thread on Apple forums.
Same question, what?
Microsoft Defender
Excuse me?
Somehow it’s managed to randomly toggle the DPI setting on my mouse.
It’s a Sensei RAW, there is no software switch, it’s all done in the mouse.
Oh wow. Nasal demons in the wild.
Fucked up my Logitech mouse options program and now it doesn’t work correctly
Might be intentional, recently Apple went the direction of silently dropping features in updates.
Literally everyone does this now and it’s so fucking frustrating.
Vendor: Here’s our latest update, it’s mandatory, if you don’t implement it within 30 days your license will invalidate.
IT Department: *Does the update* Great well now two core tools we need to do daily work aren’t there anymore.
Vendor: Yeah, we removed them for your convenience, well being, user experience, and personal happiness.
IT Department: But we need them otherwise the software is useless to us.
Vendor: Oh in that case, our new product Premium Plus^^tm does those things but isn’t bundled with your tier of product so please cut us a check for the $5k a month difference and you’ll be good to go!
And if I punched him, I’d be the one to go to jail.
And if I punched him, l’d be the one to go to jail.
Let me know time and place, I’ll witness it was in self defense
High time to switch to Linux if you ask me
Corporate IT never goes for it, unfortunately.
My experience thus far is that the intersection of IT professionals and people who know how to administrate Linux systems well is a really small set of people. Not enough sysadmins these days.
Unfortunately the “management” (aka spyware) software is not developed with Linux in mind. I tried pushing it in our environment, it was shut down very quickly once the spyware didn’t support it.
I say this from the bottom of my crusty heart: Fuck linux.
Reported.
And this is why I’m still on Monterey… Being in audio production, it’s rare that updating your OS (barring security updates) improves your stability.
What’s the oldest version of MacOS that I could reinstall on Apple silicon?
That depends on your Mac. The older the Mac, the older the version. On most M1 Macs, you can go back even to Big Sur, on M2 it’s usually Monterey and so on. It might be different with the Pro/Max/Ultra variants though.
More important question for me:
what is the oldest MacOS with xcode support (and therefore oldest I can run brew on)?
I keep meaning to figure this out.
I believe brew dropped support for a high Sierra just a couple years back (2022 I think) but as of now my 2012 MacBook Pro is still chugging along whenever I need to compile or test something for x86 and can’t be bothered to cross-compile from my new MacBook :)
This version naming is hrllaripusly awful. “It works on rotund tundra, but not alpine fresh. Hope that helps!”
Hehe, I absolutely agree… for reference, High Sierra is v10.13, released in 2017. I’m now running v13, released 2022. They moved from v10.15 to v11 in 2020, when the arm chips were released.
My old MacBook could probably run 10.15 just fine, but I don’t have any good reason to update it, as it’s only purpose now is to compile distributables for other old machines.
Also: I really dislike that they’ve been pushing non-backwards compatible major releases so hard since 2020. I’m not updating my OS because I can’t be bothered to break shit, it shouldn’t be like that…
I’m still on macos 12 because every major update seems to break something in my dev flow
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