If y’all are going to post an incessant drumbeat of why Biden sucks, I’m just gonna keep pasting a few of the reasons why he doesn’t. It’s not just that it’s not his fault that the Republicans kept him from doing good things (although they did prevent him doing much more than that); even hampered by their obstruction, he still managed to among other things:
- He took the biggest action on climate change in US history; the goal of the climate bill is to put us on track for a 40% reduction in US emissions by 2030. It’s way too late but that’s clearly not Biden’s fault since he started fighting for it basically as soon as he got into office, and managed to achieve passed legislation which is several standard deviations above the norm for “let’s ignore it until we’re underwater and on fire” US politician status quo.
- He ordered the forgiveness of half a trillion dollars in student debt, about a third of the current total balance, and the Supreme Court told him no. He’s still managed to forgive $138 billion worth of it even against stiff Republican “no we need that money to give to Wall Street criminals pls” resistance.
- He introduced a bill to legalize marijuana federally, which the Republicans killed in the senate.
- He achieved the lowest unemployment in 20 years after having been handed an economy that was still digging out from the apocalypse that was 2020.
The shitshow that is supporting Israel during its accelerating genocide, I won’t defend all that much. But the overall attempt to paint him as the same as the average Democrat is dead wrong. (And, for what it’s worth, “the DNC as a whole and Hilary Clinton specifically are tone deaf media idiots” I’ll also fully agree with.)
All the folks that like to post memes like this haven’t had much success in trying to say any of the above isn’t true.
yup. wish into one hand, shit into the other and see which fills up first. We’ve got a monumental shit storm coming in november and these dolts want to quibble about results when the alternative is the 2025 project to destroy our country.
I love following you in all these posts. I actually started adding tags to people after I saw your post a few times. The tags really make it more noticeable how small a lot of these communities are when you can point out the same few people making posts and comments. I highly recommend tagging people for anyone who doesn’t already.
How do you tag people?
I only use connect so I can’t speak for all apps or the website but I just click someone’s post/comment, hit the 3 dots and add a user note.
Yup, i tag the shills. Helps u take note of whose pushing the agendas the parent comment is talking about.
Biden campaigned on the notion that ‘nothing fundamentally will change’ - big surprise that the people who think we need fundamental systemic change aren’t happy with what little he’s done to paper over big issues.
Liberals are just not in alignment with leftist goals, i’m not sure why we keep pretending otherwise.
I know whenever a US president tries to legalize marijuana federally and spend a trillion dollars on student loan forgiveness and climate change and more or less doubles the amount of tax Amazon is paying, I’m like “wow, nothing is changing.”
I would love a Bernie Sanders person who would do more. Do you know what Trump might do if he wins the election to Bernie Sanders or an activist organization who’s advocating for even more systemic change?
Why would cannabis rescheduling matter to someone who thinks the climate has already crossed the carbon-feedback tipping-point and we’re a decade away from mass-crop failure?
Why would forgiving a fraction of existing federally-owned student debt matter to someone who believes that capital accumulation is accelerating and locking them into a permanent state of home rental and wage slavery regardless?
If you believe that our current political climate (and the rise of fascism in the US) is a direct result of 200+ years of capital accumulation leading to very real and accelerating economic disenfranchisement of the working class, why would a politician who swears by and protects that system from fundamental change be one you are at all happy with?
‘But if you don’t help us beat this other guy things will only get worse!’ is a pointless plea to those who believe that the system Biden is defending is what is creating the fascist movement to begin with. The people you are trying to reason with are closer to blowing up a pipeline than they are to being convinced that modest incremental change will do anything more than give fascists more time to organize their own movement.
You don’t need to share that perspective to understand why those people might find the accomplishments in your list petty and ineffectual.
You’re not wrong and neither is @[email protected].
You can both be right. I’m more in the “we’re all fucked” doomer camp, but I want to see less harm done, even if it is petty and ineffectual.
Why would cannabis rescheduling matter to someone who thinks the climate has already crossed the carbon-feedback tipping-point and we’re a decade away from mass-crop failure?
Because better outcomes are better than worse ones. Maybe a second term for Biden would enable him to maintain the policies that are planned to remove a billion tons per year of CO2 emissions, maybe even add a little to it, whereas Trump would reverse even those pitifully small gains and actually add to US emissions. Maybe 20 years down the road that little bit is what tips us into a “luckier” (relatively speaking) outcome, avoids a total runaway greenhouse effect that literally kills us all, and we get away with merely mass starvation and the loss of most of the biosphere. But humanity gets to continue after that within the wreckage, having learned an agonizing lesson about the consequences of its actions, instead of being extinguished.
Do you brush your teeth? Why? Why would you need a job, if because with the way the climate is going you may not grow old enough for your money or the state of your teeth to matter at all?
Maybe 20 years down the road that little bit is what tips us into a “luckier” (relatively speaking) outcome
You’re not listening. The people you’re talking to do not believe we have 20 years.
You don’t have to agree with that analysis in order to understand the objections of those who do. Repeatedly berating leftists for critiquing Biden isn’t going to persuade them to change their mind.
So is this, like, a one-way thing? Like I listen to their viewpoints but if I say my viewpoint, then it’s “You’re not listening” and then repetition of the viewpoint?
They’re welcome to their opinion. This is mine, including why I think some particular ones of them are shills, and including that if anyone is concerned with activism outside of the system and real change in the United States they should be breaking their back making sure it’s not Trump in the fall, because unlike Biden he will absolutely destroy their ability to organize and get anything done, maybe until it’s permanently too late to do anything productive for the planet.
You can, of course, think what you like about it. Just stating my take on it and answering your question.
My best organizing years were 2016-2017 and 2020.
Of course not, I just think that pretending that they share the same interests and concerns as you is naive and willfully ignorant of their viewpoint. They clearly understand that you do not share their interests. Bragging about the marginal improvements to the problematic system they are fighting against is the height of hubris, especially if the aim is to actually change their mind.
“Put your concerns aside so that you can work for change when the stakes are lower” is just asking those people to sacrifice the only political leverage they have so that a politician that is ambivalent about their concerns can win re-election. If you’re uncomfortable with the threat of their dissent then it is having exactly the intended effect and they should absolutely keep doing it.
what if i come up with a really whitty nickname like “ivan” or “big baby”? do you think that would make them change their moral approach?
I have no idea how to interpret this comment.
Who is y’all and where is this meme saying Biden sucks? Is this like a copy pasta? Sounds like you agree with the meme.
“Y’all” is the shills, OP included. I wrote the above in response to some conversation about Biden; at this point I’m using it as a copypasta because I haven’t seen any of the here’s-something-bad-about-Biden-gotta-go-my-planet-needs-me crowd have any real substantive response to any of it and it constantly irritates me that they’re constantly posting “hello fellow kids we all agree Biden sucks for these vaguely-defined reasons” things, and I’m tryin to be a hero by putting it up when I see them do it.
Parts of this meme, I agree with. The main part (“Republicans get everything they want”) is a load of horseshit as it pertains to the current president and the current election.
Are you mad cause people won’t get into arguments with you about why they don’t like Biden?
No, I’m mad because people are spreading transparent bullshit on my social network and not even bothering to pretend that they themselves believe it.
I get it if I’m being hostile and condescending and calling them shills and then, wo ho surprise, they’re not excited to talk with me. Makes perfect sense and I’d probably do the same. But it doesn’t change the fact that they’re saying stuff that’s wrong and then not bothering to address on any substantive level if I or anyone else says “hey Biden actually did on YYYY-MM-DD this thing you said he was deliberately not doing because he hates the voters”; they just fly away like Superman to the next misleading meme. They’ve got a right to do it of course, just like I’ve got a right to call them liars about it and explain why.
Honestly you seem a little angry and intimidating, I wouldn’t engage with you much either.
I tried faking being nice when I’m irritated about something, and the result is usually just even more off putting.
That’s legit hilarious and relatable and makes me feel better about you!
And what are you doing? Engaging repeatedly without shit to offer as a premise, just another shit talker.
Feel free to respond to my list of facts
I was wondering why they were coming in so hot on a meme the agree with, apparently it’s a multi thread fight.
Yet you keep engaging. Curious.
Yeah, my fear of this person going through my post history and following me from thread to thread (usual thing I find when people have this kind of energy, plus they seem to be stalking a different user and I just don’t think they have the time) went down and now I’m super duper curious!
spam. this is spam.
Wholeheartedly agree. At least one of them actually did get removed as misinformation (which, it clearly was; it was particularly blatantly dishonest and OP was making no effort in the comments to argue that it wasn’t.)
In my opinion though it’s actually better for it to be around. I think as long as I or someone wants to take the time for a detailed factual rebuttal, the overall impact on the community is actually a net positive. Debate is a good thing, and the shills aren’t doing a real good job of selling their case; they’re just using a fairly blunt Goebbels-style endless repetition tactic, and doing such a hamfisted and obvious job with it that people seem like they’re mostly seeing through it at this point.
your comment is the spam. the meme is legit.
🙂
You vote for Democrats but they don’t win enough seats due to gerrymandering and idiot citizens…
Thank you. This is a BS take based in ignorance of all the factors involved in getting your legislation to the president’s desk. You have to vote every election all the way down the ballot or you can assume the same marginal success. (Edit autocorrect)
no wonder, with the “factors” being the elections being undemocratic
Yes you’re right that they are not perfectly democratic. Gerrymandering, the electoral college and representation in Congress being skewed towards land ownership all benefit Republicans. None of that will get changed through apathy. Nor will anything change pretending both sides are the same.
Look go vote, I do too, but voting is the apathetic reaction here. Its literally pressing a button to put someone you know is very compromised in charge. Its the other side of exactly the same coin, same policies and all. To that I would simply say get organizing.
And by god, the electoral college and gerrymandering combo alone put this system firmy in “not a democracy” territory. I mean they can essentially just choose the outcome of an election, makes all that theatre meaningless and I see right the fuck through it.
I get very wary anytime someone says both sides are the same. The same people who benefit from all the election trickery are the same ones who benefit from the two sides same coin disinformation campaign. It sows apathy. I’m not saying you’re wrong that Democrats are also corporate stooges just that their policies also help the little people while the other side of the coin exclusively helps the “haves”.
neither helps the little people, they just act like they do. the little people guy is currently financing a genocide of little people with little repercussion for him.
its like this all over the planet, the little people guy in my country is running the economy the same way the previous far right asshole did, and its currently trying to privatize prisions.
the real rulers calling the shots are the money class. those aint elected and are always helping themselves. if you don’t want to be apathetic, go after them. i’m suggesting this in addition to voting, btw
Don’t forget the Electoral College. The only democracy I’m aware of where you can win with less votes than your opponent…
… But We The People are all created equal amirite.
The only democracy I’m aware of where you can win with less votes than your opponent…
American exceptionalism at it’s finest.
I don’t get this argument as a non American. Is the presidential a total vote regardless of geography? Most democratic countries you vote for local member. A lot of countries share the problem of progressives living close together and landsliding one electorate, but have no horses in other rural seats.
In Australia the standard story is the Liberal (conservative) party getting the most first preference votes, followed by Labor (centre left) then the Greens (progressive) coming 3rd but giving enough preferences for Labor to win.
Voting is based on electoral districts, which are areas mapped out every decade by state legislatures, and each district has electors which are given to a candidate who wins the vote in it.
The problem is that citizens of less populated states have more voting power due to the rules on how many electors a state gets.
Plus, conservatives often gerrymander – intentionally drawing the districts so ethnic minorities are divided, and most districts are designed to have a majority of Republican voters while all the areas with mostly Democratic voters are all put together into 1 or 2 districts. States like West Virginia also lower the amount of districts in the state as part of the strategy. The gerrymandering has lead to some pretty insane looking maps (North Carolina, Texas, Alabama, Pennsylvania, Louisiana, Ohio)
Also electors may not actually vote for the candidate that wins the election in their district, which is technically illegal but also not really illegal and has happened quite a few times.
This accurately describes it. Further explanation:
Election of the President - Electoral College
Each citizen of Wyoming with a population of around half a million has somewhere around 3.7x the voting-weight as a Californian citizen. Why? Because each state’s electoral votes to the president is the # of Congressional delegates it has.
For Wyoming: 3 Electoral Votes for the President
- 2 US Senators (Every state gets 2 US Senators)
- 1 US House Representative (proportionate to their population)
5.19 electoral votes per million people.
For California: 54 Electoral Votes.
- 2 US Senators
- 52 US House Representatives
1.37 electoral votes per million people.
Thus, you get elections where Presidents don’t win the popular vote, and we expect our country to function…???
This may not seem like a big deal, but across 15-20 low-populated rust/bible-belt states, the effect adds up, leading to some of our worst Presidents in history being elected by a minority vote, including Bush Jr., in 2000, and Trump in 2016. In fact, Republicans have only won the Presidential popular vote ONCE in over 30+ years (which was Bush Jr.'s 2004 reelection when the country was wrapped around fear post-9/11 and Iraq invasion…).
The electoral college is an antiquated remnant of the slave era. In order to get America functioning properly again, it must go.
Election of US House of Representatives - Gerrymandering
Gerrymandering leads to mapping Congressional districts in ways that favors one party over another. This is probably the best layperson video to explain it. Traditionally this has been done far more nefariously and effectively by Republicans, who have also been in power at key moments, including the 2010 and 2020 Census.
Gerrymandering itself has no effect on US Presidential elections except for perhaps reducing peoples’ interest in showing up to the polls in the first place if their district is gerrymandered.
Election of US Senators
This (and Governor races—effectively the President of the state) is how the US Presidential election SHOULD happen at minimum. Each individual in the state gets an equal vote regardless of where they live, and the person who receives the most votes wins.
We can discuss getting rid of FPTP later, but baby-steps.
I am not American. I am also from a non federal (unitary) state.
While non federal systems far from perfectly democratic, federal systems are inherently less democratic because they add another entity to the election process than the people, federal states. This is actually most egregious in senates where every federal state gets the same amount of members for being a state regardless of how many people it represents. Non federal parliaments have a similar problem because you have way smaller number of electors to represent the people.
At least in US presidential elections states are awarded electors based on their populations. However some or all states (can’t really remember) have all their electors vote for the leader even if he won the state 51% to 49%. This acts like a filter and always changes the result as in the percentage of voters for candidate A is different than the percentage of electors for candidate A. It usually does not distort the result enough to flip the election but it happened in 2016.
It can theoretically happen in parliamentary systems as well but it’s much more difficult. Also it’s an unnecessary issue in the US because the head of the executive is not required to have the support of the legislative branch and the electors serve no other purpose.
I believe the most democratic way to elect the president would be a runoff like France’s presidential elections.
Nah the UK has it too, its technically possible to win a majority with about 1/9th of the vote. It also tends to result in the right wing recieving an inflated share of the effective vote.
It’s a careful balance, and benefits the rich more that way.
And not ENOUGH people voted for democrats.
“I personally voted for a Democrat, how come they don’t have a supermajority in Congress??” well Katelyghnn, not enough of your friends voted.
Do you think that’s because democratic voters are biologically less likely to vote, or could it be that the DNC is doing a poor job of energizing the base?
Fuck the GOP, of course, but they are absolutely pushing for fascism, and getting fascist policies through, which excites their fascist base.
The DNC has been pushing for tepid liberalism for decades, and when there hasn’t been sign of genuine positive change at tangible levels, the DNC will lose voters.
If you can blame voters for not voting, you can blame the party for failing to grab voters as well. It’s a two-way street.
or could it be that the DNC is doing a poor job of energizing the base?
You are not the DNC base. You are the fringe. The DNC base is Black, especially Black women. Plus college educated white women. The DNC base likes tepid liberalism, and they vote in EVERY election. That’s what makes them the base.
You don’t have to alienate your core to appeal more to others. The DNC core decreasingly likes tepid liberalism, which is why backlash against the DNC is growing.
If the DNC isn’t actively trying to gain votes, then it’s their fault as well for losing votes. Being not as bad as the other guy is not a platform to energize a base, and is why Hillary lost.
The DNC wants to do exactly what you said, not alienate their base. They don’t want to risk losing strong supporters to maybe gain flaky supporters.
Leftist votes are just not worth enough when they threaten liberal votes.
Although you’re right, the base is getting more leftist. That’s the angle you guys should be playing, not this absolutist purity testing crap.
No, the DNC supports the interests of Capitalists, because that’s their donor base. That’s why they appeal to Capitalists, and feign progressive support.
If leftist votes aren’t worth it, then you are making the terrible argument in favor of leftists voting third party, if they aren’t needed.
The base getting more leftist does not mean more leftist candidates will be placed by the DNC.
You’re hilariously off-base and out of touch.
If all the DNC cared about was money, they would be the GOP.
If leftist votes aren’t worth it, then you are making the terrible argument in favor of leftists voting third party, if they aren’t needed.
I’m trying to convince leftists to shut the fuck up and stop risking the giant mass of woefully uninformed voters who swing elections. Also ridiculing you for the stupidity of your takes, but that’s just because it’s fun, I’ve given up hope of dissuading you from stupidity. You cling to stupidity as much as MAGA. I just don’t want your stupidity to infect the low information independent voters.
They got a majority and chose not to use it. They don’t need a supermajority to do away with the filibuster forever.
That’s a one way door that could backfire. I can understand them not wanting to open that particular Pandora’s Box.
We don’t elect Democrats to legislate based on what Republicans might do. The real reason Democrats consider the Jim Crow Filibuster to be more important than the lives and rights of pregnant patients is that if the Jim Crow Filibuster goes away, they lose their procedural excuse for breaking campaign promises that they never intended to even try to keep.
We don’t elect Democrats to legislate based on what Republicans might do.
We absolutely do, what are you talking about? That’s probably the biggest reason Biden was even elected. Because of what Trump might do.
Fair enough. Guess we’ll just deal with a deliberately useless party with no ambitions greater than “don’t lose” until they eventually lose anyway and we get the fascism they didn’t bother to do anything to stop except temporarily occupying offices in its way.
But in the meantime, you get to pretend you’re moral when you demand unquestioning fealty to a guy who supports genocide.
until they eventually lose anyway and we get the fascism they didn’t bother to do anything to stop except temporarily occupying offices in its way.
You: we’re gonna eventually get fascism anyway, so why not today?
I dunno, maybe because every electoral cycle that you aren’t under fascism is still better than being under it? Like if nothing else, you’re keeping the status quo that isn’t them executing political rivals and doing mass deportations for a time. I’d argue even if they’ve accomplished nothing else that is obviously better.
If more people voted for them and not for actual literal Nazi fascism, then we could reorient our priorities away from “save democracy”.
If fascism was reduced to the fringe party it deserves, then the process of improving people’s lives would be much easier.
They won enough seats and found just enough no votes to kill BBB and the minimum wage increase, and keep the filibuster intact so they couldn’t protect Roe or voting rights.
I wish they had done more too but they barely had 50/50 in the Senate and Sinema doesn’t count let’s be honest. So if we go back to this meme, Democrats keep winning, still just isn’t the case or if you think it is true, see my comment about don’t win enough. Enough being the key word.
Luckily they were able to pass lots of good legislation during that time of the thinnest of majorities. From Wikipedia: The Inflation Reduction Act, American Rescue Plan Act, Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, Postal Service Reform Act, Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, CHIPS and Science Act, Honoring Our PACT Act, Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act, Respect for Marriage Act.
So you’re saying it’s hopeless…
I do feel hopeless sometimes yes. But perhaps we should say “You vote for Democrats and they haven’t yet won enough”, to give us some hope
I wish I still had hope. It feels like one step forward and two steps back. Arguing about supporting genocide less, and we haven’t even begun the discussion on microplastics, their effects on our health & environment, and how to deal with all that create them.
Sure, but voting for better options for not only president but down ballot is really less effort than shitposting on here. I dont blame anyones dismal outlooks, but the doomerism isnt doing us any favors. We need cooperation and the formation of stronger social bonds.
Dont forget that most of us here in the US are in the (globally) rare and privileged position of not being at direct risk of perishing due to the fucked climate. Its not us so much as the island and desert dwelling folks that are truly fucked. If we want to mitigate the already unreasonable damage weve caused, it will be done here in the rich and powerful countries who have the means to do anything about it in the first place.
While i wish our system was different, the way to change it involves taking all available paths.
We need to protect the LGBTQ friends, bc they are on our side.
We need to protect our democracy, bc it remains our primary outlet for change.
If youre capable of takong direct action, do so, build strong bonds with ur neighbors and peers, but vote in the meantime as well. Theres more elections than just the general presidential, and looking into whose running and what they want takes me very little time for the most part.
Weve no choice but to be the future we wish to see in spite of all the bullshit.
Yeah.
As a Canadian, I hate conservatives, but it cringe every time Justin Trudeau tries to tell me he understand the struggles of the working class, while wearing a $10k Rolex
Bill Burr had a great bit on Conan. He explained that he was more comfortable with the Republicans.
“I know they don’t like me,” he explained. “They’re just pushing old people down the stairs… GOD MADE THIS FOR ME!” Whereas “the Democrats” (I would amend this to “a lot of the Democrats”) are pretending to be for the working class, when they’re the same crop of etc etc.
“So you feel like the Republicans are more honest,” said Conan O’Brien.
“WHAT? No. No no…” said Bill, as if he was trying to reboot his whole explanation and try to explain again from the beginning what he’d been trying to say.
Ok well vote him out like you plan to and let the conservatives ruin your government because you don’t like a tacky person on TV.
It comes as no surprise that a dichotomy between “The Democrats” and “The Republicans” in a democratic republic brings so much fakery with it.
America: We don’t want a 2020 rematch.
Republican Party: Too bad.
Democratic Party: How about a splash of 2016?
At least they can’t trot out Kissinger again.
Or can they?
Weekend at Henry’s.
Every single one of your headlines are rote r/Conservative and r/The_Donald. Your mask slips even further. Your next move will be to pretend that your an ex democratic voter turned conservative. Go back to Reddit, nobody’s buying your bs.
Are you sure you’re looking at the right profile? I looked and there’s a couple of bad headlines (I guess?) but the vast majority of their posts are pro-socialist in both headline and content
Their content runs about 40% generically leftist, 60% “this is why Biden / the Democrats suck” with varying degrees of subtlety about it. And, they have no interest in talking about it when they post something in the second category that’s clearly just false; they just make some short generic statements and move on to the next thing whether it be anti-Democratic or generic. And it’s literally every day in a constant stream.
(Actually, looking at their profile right now, it’s more like 60/40 the other way, maybe even less… I know some of their stuff was removed as misinformation for the above reasons, so maybe they decided to tone it down.)
You ever think that maybe they just genuinely think that Democrats suck even if Republicans are worse?
Yes, in the beginning. Now I definitely don’t think it’s a sincerely held belief for a couple of different reasons (mostly that they’re totally uninterested in talking about whether what they’re saying is true or not – most people on the internet who have opinions on politics are interested in explaining their opinions, not like “no time gotta post more memes” about them.)
You can’t have a conversation or hope to change opinion if you don’t even recognize the other sides position even exists.
You’d be amazed what people can think and not be interested in talking about further. A lot of people are not rational and there really isn’t any getting through to them on things. Especially if they are passionate enough about it to post memes and shout outs about the topic.It’s not hard to think there is a real person with these thoughts out there, the questions are is it a legitimate complaint that needs change to be done about it or is there a way to stop more people from feeling that way?
I actually firmly agree with you on that. I’ve had extensive conversations over the years on the internet with people I disagree with. Tankies, MAGA people, for-real kinda-could-be-neo-Nazis, standard liberals I disagree with for one of a variety of reasons. Lots of people. I actually feel fairly confident in saying that the “don’t-vote-for-Biden” people on Lemmy behave very very differently from the way people with sincerely held beliefs behave.
Like it would be surprising to see a tankie posting a “Putin is great” meme and someone comes in the comments and says “actually Putin sucks” and they’re like pff, don’t have time for that, I gotta post another Putin-is-great meme. It’s just unusual. Seeing five of them all doing it the same way in the same community is just weird.
Not every person is obligated to “argue” with me or anyone else if they don’t want to. But most people with political beliefs, in my experience, are interested to relay them to somebody. They actually kind of like finding someone who doesn’t agree with them, so they can tell them why they’re wrong. The shills kind of only have two settings: They either throw at the other person baseless and random claims and hostility, like no real grounding in any kind of belief system, only just “against” the other person, or else abandonment. That’s unusual.
Call me Charlie Kelly but this is how I see it
I mean it’s fair to say they usually want the fight. How else get the rush of shouting at the non-believers. But I dunno just a hard stance to take right off the bat that they don’t exist at all cause you don’t like how they don’t argue. Also look you keep getting down voted. People have changed into more isolated, pro-echochamber, individuals and could just expect the rest of the flock to get you while they feel like the prophet shouting their “truths”. They are, i think, just really disconnected people, with some legitimate woes who don’t know how to voice or change it.
This is all speculation at this point, cause I assume they are real and think; the way they present to think, is how they think. I also think it’s fucked up and them and others like them will lead to a horrible life for many where everyone refuses to compromise or talk.
But that’s why I talk. See if there is a kernel of truth. And disregard the pandering and chest pumping.People are shockingly honest if asked, especially with anonymity. It just might be hard to believe they exist. It’s hard to comprehend sonder.
Yeah, that account’s posts read like a /walkaway user.
What’s a /walkaway user? I keep finding some financial thing.
It’s one of the things centrists call people when they don’t understand how anyone could sincerely oppose genocide.
Just in case you are being serious, which I highly doubt:
It’s a reddit sub created by right wing edgibois pretending to be disillusioned democrats that decided to vote republican because of reasons.
It has been unreasonably successful in both 2016 and 2020, spreading their ‘drop of truth in ten thousand gallons of lies’ soundbites all over the web.
The same group is also behind the label ‘genocide joe’, and popularized it on their darkweb forums as a meme before it ever made it to X or facebook.
Wow, I didn’t realize people were this hostile to a question! Thanks, I didn’t realize Y’all were bringing all this context to the meme group!
🤣 You are beyond parody. Pokémon go hide your head in shame at your vile behavior.
Reminds me of all the democrats telling me I was a Russian operative for supporting Bernie
i didn’t hear that one, but boy have i heard it about voting for jill stein.
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My favorite, is how on some of their posts, they get the other russian bitches that spam post just the right news pieces out of their holes to defend them as well.
Keep on calling it out. It might not be all their posts, if it were, that wouldnt be as effective.
Best as I can tell, blue party policy is to implement some minor fixes that still fall way short of basic western benefits and health care while continuing to do whatever the military industrial complex demands, while the red party policy is to win all future elections at any cost.
Did Hillary piss in your Cheerios or something? Why should anyone care about this as if it’s some crime to humanity?
She literally gave the world Trump. I’ll never forgive her.
Interesting, so it had nothing to do with people like me that didn’t vote?
Was it actually her or was it some dumb shit Very Smart Person™ they hired as a political strategist for the campaign? I know there were the emails that were leaked but I don’t remember if it was literally her decision to boost Trump.
I was hooking up with one of her campaign strategists’ daughter when the election happened. Invited her over to my place figuring “hey it’s about to be some 2008 Obama elected sex” put some CNN on and see where the night takes us.
OOF. Had to consule her crying and talking to her mom at the campaign HQ on the phone to find out the results were real. I did NOT get in her situation room that night.
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