• @WhatsThePoint
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    827 months ago

    Trump tax cuts for the wealthy made this worse. They need to be clawed back.

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      This has to be one of the most politically biased topics when it comes to the media. You never hear these issues when the Republicans are in office. Of course the idea isn’t wrong, it’s just the timing is predictale (Republicans not in office and it’s almost election time).

      • @WhatsThePoint
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        457 months ago

        The media is mostly owned by 6 conglomerates that are ran by billionaires who fund the right. It’s predictable because it’s by design. We are basically back in the gilded age.

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          67 months ago

          Interesting, is there a list of these companies and which brands they own?

            • @mightyfoolish
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              157 months ago

              Wow, that’s a lot more entangled than I thought it was going to be. Thank you for this information.

              Bleacher Report has connections? I just thought they were some blog summarizing WWE back when I cared about pro-wrestling.

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                57 months ago

                It’s a terrible visualization, there’s no tangling. Categories like sports are drawn as a point, and all sports media companies have a line drawn to that point. If you look only at the blue and white parts, not the gray, it’s not tangled.

                It also only shows five big companies, when it should also include News Corp, iheartmedia, Warner, Sinclair, Hearst, etc.

            • Zombie-Mantis
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              Do you have a source for this? I’ve seen charts like these, but they never have a date on them, so I can’t tell if they’re still accurate, or out of date.

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                Forbes. I didn’t link the article because it’s paywalled (I get it with my Apple News) and I thought this answered the question. I didn’t bookmark the article to post again.

                • Zombie-Mantis
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                  37 months ago

                  Thanks 👍

                  With a little reverse-image-searching, it also looks like it’s from 2018. I like this graphic, I’d love to see a more recent version of this. For instance, I think Disney aquired FOX in 2019, and this chart still shows it being owned by 20th Century Fox.

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          The irony of omitting that liberal media channels suffer from exactly the same issue.

          • @Cypher
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            The billionaires set the talking points and all other media is forced to address it or get accused of covering up “issues”.

  • @Desistance
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    Tax billionaires and corporations properly and they can fix the debt in 5 years.

  • @Got_Bent
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    187 months ago

    I’ve always kinda felt that a Venezuelan/Zimbabwean type currency crash has always been the end goal when it comes to US debt.

    Borrow more money than exists many times over.

    Spend the money

    Devalue the underlying currency of the debt to effectively zero

    Fuck over millions upon millions of people

    But hey, the spending was, in the end, all free!

    • @CaptainSpaceman
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      I dont think they’ve had that kind of foresight tbh. The goal is to make lots of money and kick the can of being fiscally responsible down the road to the next administration.

      If a global USD is devalued that far, its not just bad for America.

    • @WhatsThePoint
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      117 months ago

      Every central bank system is a perpetual debt machine. It’s why the founding fathers specifically fought against them being established here. If you print the money then loan it to a government, how does the government pay that interest? Central bank loans the government $100 at 1% interest, even if they spend none of it, how do they pay the 1% when the issuer of the currency is also the loaner? Governments have to continue to accumulate debt in this system. They have always been a perpetual and compounding debt system.

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        The founding fathers also kept slaves and didn’t let women vote. I’m tired of how Americans deify them, I suggest citing economists as authorities on economics instead of 18th century wealthy landowners.

        • @WhatsThePoint
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          117 months ago

          I’m not deifying them by mentioning something they got right. I’m tired of people’s all or nothing lack of nuance. Humanity would be nowhere without the advancements of flawed people from the past. We can’t use our measuring stick on their lives without a huge degree of hypocrisy considering how much society has changed even in the last half century. For all their short comings, the founding fathers did create the frame work that most modern democracies are built on and ushered humanity away from monarchy.

          • FaceDeer
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            Most modern democracies are parliamentary, actually. The US system has not been widely mimicked aside from cherry-picking a few specific details.

            Also, monarchy and democracy are not mutually exclusive. I’m Canadian, for example, which is a democratic constitutional monarchy. We still have a king but we elect our government.

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              Yes, but your king is basically a mascot. If they had any actual power, your system would be less democratic basically by definition.

              • FaceDeer
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                Sure, but that’s adding quibbles beyond the scope of what I was responding to. We’re a democracy and we still have a monarch.

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          37 months ago

          They were the economists of their time. Basic economic theory hasn’t changed in millennia, only opinion on how to manage economies has.

          • FaceDeer
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            There were economists in the 18th century and none of the founding fathers were one.

            The closest was probably Alexander Hamilton, who ended up as the first treasury secretary. Where he proposed and set up the very central bank that the commenter I was responding to is complaining about.

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        17 months ago

        Central bank loans the government $100 at 1% interest, even if they spend none of it, how do they pay the 1% when the issuer of the currency is also the loaner?

        Taxes.

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          Pretty sure they’re saying if we taxes everyone 100%… Collected all the money from everyone in the country, then gave it all back to the central bank we borrowed it from originally, we’d still owe the interest on the debt… With no more money in the system where would we get the “taxes”?

          • @[email protected]
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            17 months ago

            As with most debt, it can’t be paid off immediately or it wouldn’t have been debt to being with. It’s a bet on the future.

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      Worst part is, we all participate so we are the enabler. There are alternatives but people have mostly rejected as media told them it is bad.

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      Why default on loans when you can just get moar loans?!?!?

      • US Politicians talking about the debt ceiling
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      I mean that’s not what happened in Venezuela at all but ok…

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        I mean, I was more looking for examples of currencies that had crashed to near zero than the specific driving forces behind the illustrations, but ok.

        • @Woozythebear
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          Yeah but you literally stated the reasons why…

          • @Cypher
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            we will end up at “end game scenario” we saw in X by these hypothetical steps, which are different steps to X but the same “end game scenario”

            This isn’t a conceptually difficult hypothetical to follow.

            • @Got_Bent
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              Don’t you understand? Every casual comment made in passing online needs to have been put through rigorous academic peer review and include citations on international economies and the mechanics of global currency exchanges, or the commenter must face complete social ridicule and ostracization. /s

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    Have the Pentagon pass a fucking audit and withold money if they don’t and is fixed in a year.

    Failing five in a row is not a joke. Just tell this to your friends when they come talking about Trump and don’t see the big picture.