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What the cat describes is a co-op business. They exist, not many but they are out there.
But also conflates it’s democracys fault.
When it’s capitalisms fault.
Yeah a lot of these “antiwork” memes really miss the mark. Socialism doesn’t mean you get to pick your own working hours either. Socialism doesn’t mean nobody will dig ditches. Socialism doesn’t mean everyone sits around playing video games.
There will still be labor, and there will still be bad bosses and bad jobs. Standing committees and unions generally don’t spend much time worrying about the comfort of the individual.
What an awful post, why are you comparing a business to a government? It’s a invalid foundation for your argument
Yeah the post misses the mark by a wide margin. Democracy affects government, which in turn affects businesses. Democracy does not mean you directly get to pick and choose all things in life.
Democracy does not mean you directly get to pick and choose all things in life.
Lmmfao, says who, capitalism?
You being wilfully ignorant of options that exist outside of your indoctrination doesn’t make that reality lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workplace_democracyClarification: yes, workplace democracy exists. Yes, it would be great to see more of it! Often when people speak of democracy, though, they are talking about a democratic system of government, which does not automatically mean businesses, workplaces, schools, clubs, recreational facilities are also democratic in nature…
So, comic is a little off base still
What an awful comment, why are you under the illusion that your government is running your country as anything other than a business? Your detachment from reality is an invalid foundation for an argument… ¯\(ツ)/¯
You do get to choose where you work though.
No, you get to choose where you beg for work within your local economic zone as most people don’t have the finance to move towards better places opportunities.
Poverty affects peoples health and appearance, appearance affects peoples chances to get hired and health affects your capabilities to remain hired.
Once your desperate enough you will take any job, which the boss will make you feel like you perpetually fail at to break you but never fire you because your exploitation is lucrative. (Naturally this isn’t everywhere but its shockingly common)
after that you will be so stressed and miserable, occupied with raw survival you wont have anything strength left to look elsewhere. No one strives to be a wage slave.
Do you have any data in what you’d call most? The majority are well fed, own homes, and are perfectly fine purchasing clothes and getting a shower.
Most people dont have the means to move to a place with more opportunities. Thats related to but different to them being in hunger levels of poverty.
I own a home and have all of those things, a job i really like, but i dont feel like i had much say in it. This (low paid office) job for me was a golden opportunity i could nog afford to take. I have disabilities and if not for this I would have no choice then remaining unemployed.
So no?
Do you collect information about statements you did not make?
You misread the nuance in my comment, your are making this into a strawman
No. I’m not. You keep tossing most of there with zero evidence. The rest does not matter to me if your premise is based on fake news.
“The majority are well fed, own homes, and are perfectly fine purchasing clothes and getting a shower.”
This statement, that you made on response to me is not one i disagree with. The issue is that it has nothing to do with my premise. I am not arguing and wont against it so there is no point in taunting me to do so.
I belong to the “most” i was talking about and I have all of the above and more needs met but what i don’t have is the choice to stop working for my employer without significantly harming the survivability of my family.
But since you really insist on additional details:
For the land of the “free”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/your-money/emergency-savings.html
Most people dont have emergency savings (journalist words) save to say long term unemployment is a scary idea and it be quite a challenge to relocate to an area with better jobs.
Ive seen more then 50% trown around as the number for This but it depends on who measures when and how.
For most of the world:
This one has stats about how most people only speak one language, but was a source really necessary to know that?
https://preply.com/en/blog/bilingualism-statistics/
If your born in india as the lowest cast not being given a education, you only speak indian do you really think you have the choices beyond maybe working in scam call center?
And the workplace structure is the same in every company?
Just because you can choose a different lord doesn’t mean you’re not a serf
I wish!
If you are a shareholder you can choose.
Where I live, there’s usually a union rep on the board if the company is sufficiently large - so it’s sort of getting to vote on who your boss is, in a roundabout way.
Eh, you get to choose your boss/supervisor/manager though, and (often through union) negotiate the terms for anything work related.
I choose when to work, my feedback does have a direct affect on other employees and who I work with.
When you lie about the reality, those that might consider joining your cause instead will look at you like grifter you are.
This is bare minimum people should aim for under capitalism, but what we really should be working towards is freeing our collective minds from the artificial idea that “bosses” even need to exist in the first place, because they don’t.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/mark-bray-horizontalism
no that would be socialism, silly! and socialism is eeeevil, ooooo 👻
