Since my last post yesterday, lemmy.world has added over 3000 new users, bringing the total user count to 22000 today (source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list). It firmly holds the position of the second-largest lemmy instance, passing beehaw.org by a large margin of 10000 users.

In other news, beehaw has defederated from lemmy.world a few hours ago. How does the third-largest instance only have 4 mods admins for its 12000 users?!

So much going on!

      • EnglishMobster
        15•2 years ago

        It seems odd to me that Beehaw would choose a federated model if this is truly their approach.

        The whole point of federation is that you’ll have everyone from everywhere in your community, with exceptions for bad actors.

        If Beehaw says “We want our community to be unified and work exactly as we say” it just seems like they should have forked Tildes or something?

        I was talking to one of the Beehaw admins the other day and I think they mentioned they came from Tildes because they disagreed with how Deimos was running things or something like that. But Tildes is open-source and non-federated, so it seems like the more natural place to jump to for what they want to do?

        • FeenisBoobicus
          7•2 years ago

          Yeah, why pioneer a free and open platform just so you can curate a censored and closed echo chamber? That’s why I chose Kbin, ernest seems much more interested in the success and development of the community and platform than enforcing whatever flavor of ideology.

            • @[email protected]English
              7•2 years ago

              Now that BeeHaw has defederated, they won’t see any comments from lemmy.world/shitjustworks users in their own communities.

              If they kept federation, those users would be able to comment on beehaw.org communities.

            • @[email protected]English
              5•2 years ago

              Sorry for the confusion, I meant that, if they didn’t defederate and their users just kept on their ‘local’ feed, they’d still see outside comments.

            • @SenokirEnglish
              10•2 years ago

              You should still be able to view and comment on beehaw as normal so you don’t have to miss those communities. Defederation is a one way street. So it’s just like lemmy.world doesn’t exist as far as beehaw is concerned. We can’t have any impact on their vote counts from their perspective, they won’t see our comments regardless of the instance it’s posted on, they can’t visit any communities from lemmy.world, etc. But unless lemmy.world defederates from beehaw we will still be able to view, vote on, comment on, etc anything from beehaw as normal. It’s just that you are less likely to get any sort of interaction so you are disincentivized from doing so. Technically we could still comment on a beehaw post and anyone from lemmy.world or any other instance that hasn’t defederates with us would still be able to see and reply to that comment.

              Edit: for anyone reading this, the truth is somewhere in between. See the link to the post in the comment below mine to get more clarification.

              • @foggenbootyEnglish
                3•2 years ago

                That’s very interesting. I didn’t realize it worked that way. You’re saying when one instance comments on a external instance the comment itself is still hosted by the first instance? It is hosted in the first instance and and update is sent to the external instance which would host a duplicate copy (but in this case is rejected)?

                I’ve read most of the Lemmy documentation but these nuances of the architecture aren’t well covered.

                Edit: just found this post which clarifies it all: https://lemmy.world/post/149743

                • @SenokirEnglish
                  2•2 years ago

                  Thanks for the link. It cleared up a slight misunderstanding that I had as well.

    • @[email protected]English
      8•2 years ago

      Nah, de-federation means they won’t be seeing anything from lemmy.world on:

      • local posts
      • lemmy.world posts

      They will still see lemmy.world comments on other instances, but lemmy.world posts won’t appear on the ALL sorting.

      In the same way lemmy.world won’t be able to see beehaw posts.

      Basically,

      • local only concerns posts that have been submitted on beehaw communities
      • All concerns posts submitted on any instance that is federated and to which at least one user on the instance is subbed to.
    • Kichae
      7•2 years ago

      No, they can choose to see content from local communities. The users posting in those communities, and the people commenting on those posts, can still come from any federated site.

  • Fake4000English
    42•2 years ago

    A lot of users joined Lemmy.world due to the open sign ups. Whether they will be lurking or not remains to be seen.

    • @MicroWaveOPEnglish
      49•2 years ago

      Yeah I used to lurk on reddit, but trying to be more active on lemmy.world. I’m a fan of what’s going on with lemmy and kbin.

        • @MicroWaveOPEnglish
          4•2 years ago

          Gotcha. Do we know if lemmy is getting something like that soon?

            • admin
              2•2 years ago

              There is also the sister project kbin.social, it pulls in Lemmy and Mastodon content. We’re currently working on getting more instances set up for kbin and there are more features being added as well. kbin.social is the “main instance” but I think there are like 10 or 15 now in total that have been spun up.

              I believe this is the link that shows the other instances: https://the-federation.info/platform/184 (I’m not 100% sure because it appears to be down at the time of me writing this comment)

              bug/feature requests for kbin: https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core

        • Edgerunner AlexisEnglish
          4•2 years ago

          It would be amazing if Lemmy implemented silencing/muting instances, it would make a great middle ground between fully federating or defederating so that it’s less binary and absolutist, and allows more individual freedom within mod actions. I think having a spectrum of choices when it comes to interaction will help social media networks a lot, because it means there are more ways to deal with problems and it more mirrors real life social groups, which means the dynamics are less artificial and distorted.

        • @[email protected]English
          3•2 years ago

          As I understand it, on Lemmy media is hosted on your instance only. When you see a picture from a user on another instance, you’re loading it from their instance.

  • curaEnglish
    15•2 years ago

    I saw on one of their post that they now have 36 mods, but I guess that’s still not enough.

    • @MicroWaveOPEnglish
      13•2 years ago

      I think you’re right, they have 4 admins. Corrected my post. Thanks!

    • @KroxxEnglish
      2•2 years ago

      Is beehaw heavily moderated or something?

      • @[email protected]English
        10•2 years ago

        I mean they just defederated from two of the biggest instances (including lemmy.world) and have the largest list of blocked instances of any instance

  • wrath-sedan
    14•2 years ago

    Exciting to see such incredible growth in such a short time! I do feel like that until moderation tools improve some instances might do something similar to beehaw. Given beehaw noted it was hopefully a temporary solution and they have stricter content guidelines than most instances.

  • LostCause
    8•2 years ago

    The growth right now is crazy, my chosen site/instance/? is struggling to stay up. I‘m really excited for this like I haven‘t been for any website in a good decade.

    • @MicroWaveOP
      9•2 years ago

      What’s your chosen instance? And yeah, I haven’t been this excited since the whole digg vs. reddit switch back in 2010. And then there’s mastodon this past year. I remember reading about needing decentralized social media back then, and now it’s finally here.

    • @[email protected]English
      4•2 years ago

      One of those is mine, after finding out that LemmyNSFW can’t reach lemmy.ml, but FMHY can reach both. Probably not the only one.

        • @[email protected]English
          4•2 years ago

          Yeah, it’s sad. I guess it makes sense; just now I saw two posts from “lewd loli” from another instance in my “all” feed, and I imagine that’d be awkward if it happened to lemmy.ml. It does mean I’ll need a separate NSFW and SFW account, of which one will probably just be ignored completely. Or I could spin up my own instance, so small nobody will bother to block it.

          • socialjusticewizardEnglish
            4•2 years ago

            If this stuff really catches on I predict there will be services built around setting up private instances for that purpose.

    • @MicroWaveOPEnglish
      3•2 years ago

      Where do you find that info? I want to track that.

        • @MicroWaveOPEnglish
          10•2 years ago

          How did you extrapolate 16000 abandoned accounts when lemmy.world was just created a couple weeks ago?

            • @MicroWaveOPEnglish
              11•2 years ago

              What you said still doesn’t make sense.

              Normally, an account is considered inactive after a few months of inactivity and subsequently abandoned after maybe a year or more of inactivity (depending on whether the service enforces this).

              The oldest account on this instance is about 2 weeks old.

            • stankmutEnglish
              7•2 years ago

              The active user count is the count of all unique users from an instance that made a comment or a post within the last month. So that means we have 6k people posting and commenting and 16k lurkers.