Oops. Forgot the front cover.

  • @bramkaandorp
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    3928 days ago

    “The Parker’s”.

    That is the worse crime.

  • @nadiaraven
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    2428 days ago

    This book looks familiar. I probably read it in the 90s when I was being taught all this shit. Learning that I was bamboozled about Noah’s flood and evolution is what pushed me completely out of Christianity.

    • @[email protected]
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      1728 days ago

      Same. Angry atheist phase was all just embarrassment for falling for that shit as a child.

      • @CarbonatedPastaSauce
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        1128 days ago

        No reason to be embarrassed. A child has to go through some really heavy shit before they can even begin to contemplate the fact that their parents are not the shining beacons of truth we automatically assume them to be.

    • Flying SquidOP
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      1528 days ago

      I enjoyed reading the back cover blurb to my (atheist) daughter this morning, who keeps asking what things are like in Christian schools.

      Her reaction went almost exactly this way: “but… fossils… prove evolution…”

    • Zloubida
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      428 days ago

      That’s why, as a Christian, I hate these books. Evangelicalism and other fundamentalist Christian groups are gonna kill Christianity.

  • @[email protected]
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    2128 days ago

    I think I love Bill Nye’s response about the Grand Canyon during the evolution vs creation debate.

    Basically he said if the Grand Canyon was created due to the flood, why aren’t there more canyons that have similar depths? If the flood truly occurred at the same time everywhere, surely we’d see evidence of the same water erosion patterns in more places but only one exists.

    • @L3mmyW1nks
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      528 days ago

      But it fits white Jesus… :(

    • @Delusional
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      427 days ago

      Facts and logic aren’t necessary when you’re religious so this question will go straight over their heads.

    • Flying SquidOP
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      127 days ago

      And Ken Ham’s entire argument was “were you there?” which he never applied to himself.

    • @Darkard
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      1428 days ago

      My guess is: “if evolution was real then why didn’t they evolve to survive like everything else? God drowned them all because they were evil”

      • @Idreamofcheesy
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        2728 days ago

        No it’s stupider and more complicated than that.

        There’s too much proof evolution exists, so they had to pretend that is part of God’s plan too, but it doesn’t work like science says it does.

        The Bible says Noah got 2 of every “kind” of animal. So they made up a new label for the animal Kingdom. Animals fall into different “kinds.”

        Instead of getting 2 spider monkeys, 2 capuchin monkeys, two marmosets, etc, Noah got two chimpanzees. God killed every other primate species in the world with a flood. Then all the monkeys and apes we see today evolved in the 10,000 years (6,000? I forget) since they got off the ark.

        So all the fossils from the flood are the species whose “kinds” were accounted for elsewhere.

        • Flying SquidOP
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          1128 days ago

          Only somewhat related, but can you imagine what the smell must have been like from the trillions of human and animal corpses after that flood? I’ve thought about that plot point for years, but no one else seems to.

          • @ChicoSuave
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            628 days ago

            Biology has shown that the dying during mass extinctions has caused water to become inundated with nutrients which saw sponge populations explode. That global meat and vegetable stew is sitting out for thousands or millions of years and the odor is plastered on every available surface - what if the world still smells like death but we are all used to it?

            • Rhynoplaz
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              226 days ago

              what if the world still smells like death but we are all used to it?

              Woah…

        • ivanafterall
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          828 days ago

          One of the go-to talking points is to try to differentiate “macro-evolution” and “micro-evolution.” So they can claim to be okay with things like wolves becoming domesticated dog breeds, etc…while still opposing “the lie” of evil-lution.

          • Flying SquidOP
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            628 days ago

            That’s always a fun one. Any observable examples of transitional species is “micro-evolution” and anything they can handwave away is “macro-evolution.”

        • @KISSmyOSFeddit
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          728 days ago

          So what animals that are alive today belong to this kind?

    • @linkinkampf19
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      528 days ago

      Looks like it’s still for sale in some capacity on Amazon (looked it up by the ISBN). First print was 1979, so it dates itself. The sample pages are… interesting.

  • @[email protected]
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    1728 days ago

    They show how fossils contradict evolution

    I’ve heard most creationist talking points before but this one is new.

    How do they attempt to argue that the existence of fossils contradicts evolution by natural selection?

    • @[email protected]
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      2228 days ago

      How do they attempt to argue that the existence of fossils contradicts evolution by natural selection?

      The usual claim is that because fossils don’t show every single intermediary step that they can’t possibly be showing evolutionary change.

      Yes, that arguement is as stupid as it seems.

      • Flying SquidOP
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        628 days ago

        19th century writers did us no favors when they started using ‘missing link’ to describe gaps in the human fossil record. Creationists ran wild with the idea that there is such a thing. Of course, now we have countless examples of transitional fossils and understand that evolution is not just jumping from one species to another species with well-defined separators between those two species, subverting the whole concept of a ‘missing link.’

      • @CarbonatedPastaSauce
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        628 days ago

        Yeah it’s like arguing that a jigsaw puzzle isn’t real, despite seeing it laid out before them completely assembled but missing 6 or 7 of the hundreds of puzzle pieces.

      • 🇰 🔵 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️
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        A lot of dinosaurs I grew up learning about never even actually existed; they just came to be because archeology played fast and loose with the bones and was just making shit up.

        I could see that being used against it also.

        • Rhynoplaz
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          It wasn’t that long ago that I learned that brontosaurus wasn’t a thing. Also, I guess there’s a new ocean and one less planet? 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • Flying SquidOP
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      228 days ago

      I have not read the book myself- someone elsewhere posted the images- but if the snail thing someone else posted is from the same book, and it appears to be, the answer is: terribly.

      • @[email protected]
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        428 days ago

        Ah ok, so what they mean to say isn’t so much that fossils contradict evolution but that the existence of fossils can be explained by the biblical account of Noah’s Flood.

        Not the same thing of course, but then hardly surprising given the apparent level of scientific understanding on display.

    • FuglyDuck
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      124 days ago

      Young Earth Creationists will go off on all sorts of tangents to explain it. Like how the fossils were put there by satan to spread doubt.

      Even when I was a Christian, YEC’s were the idiots we made fun of. It’s an entirely unnecessary contrivance, all because they imagine that the humans who wrote everything were infallible.

    • Rhynoplaz
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      126 days ago

      They just do. Didn’t you read the book?

    • Flying SquidOP
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      1628 days ago

      Gotta love that they went with a snail, which already has a calcified shell, and whose soft parts are only very rarely preserved as fossils. It’s a really bad example.

    • @[email protected]
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      728 days ago

      The buffaloes shot by cowboys 150 years ago never turned into fossils.

      Really makes you stop and think, doesn’t it?

      Should be a butt ton of fossils in southern Brazil soon.

      • Flying SquidOP
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        There are buffalo jumps, which have been in use for thousands of years and have countless bones of the animals driven off of them that have never fossilized.

        • @grue
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          228 days ago

          Wow, that’s some ruthless efficiency right there. TIL.

  • Deconceptualist
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    528 days ago

    Some large geologic structures can actually form relatively quickly. e.g. The Great Lakes were created from meltwater of retreating glaciers 10-12 kya (although the underlying rift basin could be more like a billion years old).

    But the Grand Canyon is not among those.