• @[email protected]
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    1382 months ago

    There, the tourists “violently intimidated one of activists, who is a racialized woman, calling her ‘fascist’, ‘monkey’, telling her to go back to Africa and even threatening to kill her.”

    Sounds on par for ethnic supremacists.

    • @spirinolasOP
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      572 months ago

      The “go to Africa” made me confused because all the people seemed to be white Portuguese. I saw nobody of African descent (and it still wouldn’t be OK).

      Maybe our nice tans were to offensive for those snow flakes.

      • @jaybone
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        62 months ago

        Do Israelis not also have tans?

        • @TechNerdWizard42
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          272 months ago

          The majority of Jews and Israeli people are of European Caucuses descent today. Very few are descendents of the Semites. Ironically, the majority of Palestinians are closer descendents of the Semites than the current global Jewish population… Hmm…

          • @jaybone
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            42 months ago

            I was thinking more I was thinking more of tans from sunlight. And guessing you get a decent amount of sun in Israel as you do in Portugal. It seems like the original comment was saying Israelis are more white than Portuguese. I was just wondering if that’s really true, or at least a common perception anyway.

        • @spirinolasOP
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          92 months ago

          Not as sexy as ours, evidently.

        • @Pfeffy
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          Not the ones in power for the most part. An interesting historical fact is that Zionism didn’t really take off in terms of Europeans headed to Palestine until a few years after sunscreen was invented.

          • @jaybone
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            12 months ago

            This might actually be true. When was sunscreen invented?

    • @jaybone
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      82 months ago

      What does it mean to be racialized?

      • @Hamartia
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        To acquire one unpaired valence electron.

      • @[email protected]
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        222 months ago

        Person of color, but only in a background where it has any significance. So a Chinese person is racialized in France, but not in China, and a German person is racialized in Japan, but not in Germany.

      • @spirinolasOP
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        92 months ago

        It’s translated by Google from “racializado” I think. I think it’s being singled out because of your race…or something…

  • @[email protected]
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    792 months ago

    Fortunately the bible only says to love your neighbour so you can really let loose when travelling.

    • @RidcullyTheBrown
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      432 months ago

      the bible also contains accounts of god helping his people conquer land and uproot the residing population from it. I wouldn’t use it as a moral reference.

      In fact, let’s be honest: there is no point in quoting any religious text, regardless of religion, when discussing morality. These texts are horribly dated and should be considered as historically interesting, but nothing more.

      • @[email protected]
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        132 months ago

        Hey I’m with you, my comment was supposed to highlight as much. Helping people conquer land is even one of the more palatable examples you can choose from when it comes to morally abhorrent things in the bible.

        • @NegativeInf
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          I mean, when there’s no commandment against rape and the one for murder doesn’t count when their god says it’s totes ok bro, take their land and dash their babies against the rocks, they have no moral ground to stand on.

          Religion is the language of the oppressors couched in fantasy to make you do their dirty work in the here and now for a payoff that certainly doesn’t exist.

          • prole
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            It also teaches you how to treat your slaves.

            Could have very easily had said, “slavery is evil, stop doing it,” but nope.

            Makes you wonder how many fewer people would be Christian nowadays if it was outspokenly anti -slavery. Interesting thought.

      • prole
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        12 months ago

        Yeah the god old the old testament is brutal, and honestly a real piece of shit.

        Why would I want to worship a god who openly admits to being controlled by such petty human emotions as jealousy? Fuck that, I’ve been in shitty relationships before.

      • prole
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        I initially made the same mistake… “Surely it was too lovey-dovey to not be Jesus. No way it’s that racist, jealous, petty Yahweh…”

        But nope, Leviticus

  • @spirinolasOP
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    752 months ago

    The audacity of entering someone’s country, trying to control what they do and say and then tell them to go somewhere else “where they came from”. Who would’ve expected an Israeli of being capable of such a thing.

    • FenrirIII
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      Sounds like Elon Musk and Rupert Murdoch

  • Kokesh
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    572 months ago

    israeli tourists should be banned from entering the EU, same as russian tourists. People from these two fucking countries should not be allowed in.

    • @[email protected]
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      12 months ago

      As someone from Russia - I’m confused really, while I’d feel offended myself, I know what Russian tourists are like in general. Ahem.

    • @foggy
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      The people of Russia aren’t guilty of anything.

      In principle, the same is true of Israelites.

      We don’t judge a people by their nation state. That’s how atrocities get normalized.

      • @[email protected]
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        292 months ago

        Israels population continued to vote for Netanyahu or even worse fascists and even the so called “center” and “center left” have been largely in support of continued settler colonial displacements and ethnic cleansings. Still a majority is in support of the current genocide.

        The opposition to being a white supremacists “Blut und Boden, Lebensraum” Fascist state are in the small minority unfortunately.

        • @foggy
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          …and Germans voted for Hitler.

          Americans did and will again vote for trump. That doesn’t mean all Americans want what he wants.

          Y’all are fucking ridiculous. It’s alarming.

          • @[email protected]
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            242 months ago

            And Germans have to take the responsibility for the atrocities of the Nazi time yes. What are you on about? If people vote for a government in a democratic election they bear responsibility for it. Not individually but as a people.

            Also the Germans voted Hitler once and then there were no more elections. Israel had 11 elections since Netanyahu first came into power. And also the non Netanyahu governments continued the “settlements” aka ethnic cleansing of the West Bank.

            • @foggy
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              -142 months ago

              To reiterate: We don’t judge a people by their nation state. That’s how atrocities get normalized.

              • @[email protected]
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                182 months ago

                Denying people tourist visas based on their country being complicit in a genocide is not an atrocity. Committing genocide is.

                • @foggy
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                  -142 months ago

                  To reiterate: We don’t judge a people by their nation state. That’s how atrocities get normalized.

          • prole
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            12 months ago

            Only about ~30% actually voted for Hitler if memory serves.

            Not that it makes it ok, but…

          • @jaybone
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            Ok now try pointing out that Gazans voted for Hamas. I’ll get the popcorn.

      • @[email protected]
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        112 months ago

        Here’s some read for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem#Banality_of_evil

        Yes, an average russian or Israeli person is not likely to have directly participated in the recent events.

        The catch, though, it’s that by not opposing the actions of their governments, they DO contribute to the events indirectly. They pay taxes. They work at factories producing weapons. They make the food that the soldiers eat.

        On top of that it’s not russian government who’s currently pulling the triggers and dropping bombs. Just regular folks who just follow orders.

        Yes, protesting in russia is not easy, but the war keeps going on because the government sees that people aren’t worried too much about it.

        And yes, in both countries there are people who actively oppose, but the majority doesn’t.

        And that majority is complicit.

        • @Modern_medicine_isnt
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          I used to think a bit on this line. But as I watched the rise of Trump I came to realize that most of his supporters were simply dupped by his lies, and manipulated because of human nature. Many aren’t bad people, but they honestly believe what they have been told. So thier crime is being human, and what turns out to be an average amount gullible. We really need to find a way to hold the leaders accountable.

          • VaultBoyNewVegas
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            62 months ago

            I’m the opposite. I believe Trump supporters are fully responsible for their own actions. If they go and kill someone, I don’t fucking care if Trump told them to do it when they had other choices. Unless these people are so mentally deficient that they’d need constant care and legal guardians to make decisions for them then they are completely capable of choosing to not be shit heads.

            • @Modern_medicine_isnt
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              Individual actions, of course. But I don’t hold them responsible for trumps administration’s actions. They were tricked and continue to be so. And society falled them long ago.

          • @[email protected]
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            That’s pretty much the point of banality of evil - you don’t need an extraordinary assembly of psychopaths to run a fascist regime. All it takes is a group of loud populists, generally discontent crowd and, boom, you have “make Germany great again”.

            After ww2 finished, both Germanies discovered that they don’t really have enough people without Nazi past that could run the country. So most folks just went back to work to slightly renamed workplaces.

            Does that mean they were not complicit? They were and the winners made sure Germans would learn about what they caused.

            I guess the only excuse back the was that they didn’t know better. But we do.

            • @Modern_medicine_isnt
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              Sounds like you are saying it’s the leaders and such, not the crowd. I agree. I don’t blame the rank and file for being dupped by people they were raised to trust.

          • @ghostdoggtv
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            The Israeli government knows how to hold their own accountable, read history of Zionist paramilitaries like Irgun and Lehi. Their genocidal legacy Likud is using all people in Israel, not just Jews, as human shields, exactly in the same way they accused Hamas of doing as an excuse in order to flatten Gaza on the US working taxpayer’s dime.

          • @njm1314
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            Couldn’t disagree more. They’re not duped, their thrilled to take off the mask.

        • @foggy
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          Oh okay let’s just nuke em all then good plan

      • Sneezycat
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        It’s not about guilt, it’s about the reality of propaganda radicalizing the population.

        Of course not everyone in any of those countries is mindrotten, but that’s like #NotAllMen, it’s not about the individual, but the “culture”.

        I don’t know if I agree with radical policies like what the parent comment proposes though.

      • @wildcardology
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        I’ve seen Russians get arrested for protesting the war and I’ve seen Israeli children encourage by adults to stomp on food aid they blocked.

      • prole
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        Israeli “settlers” have been stealing land from Palestinian families that have lived there for generations. For decades.

        I agree that Jewish people as a whole aren’t guilty, but the type that go into other people’s homes, on other people’s land in other people’s countries are the same type that carry AR-15s when marching into a village in the West Bank to say, “this is mine now.” Fuck those people.

        It’s ok to call the Proud Boys shit without damning the entire US population.

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          So then you are agreeing with my heavily downvoted opinion.

          We don’t judge a people by their nation state. That’s how atrocities get normalized.

          • prole
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            Where did I judge these people by their nation state? I’m judging them based on their actions.

            This behavior is very reminiscent of the behavior of Israeli “settlers” in the West Bank, and I was pointing out that comparison.

            I judge the nation of Israel, which is democratic with mandatory conscription (i.e. brainwashing every Israeli adult into believing Palestinians are literally subhuman) for creating these people. But in a democratic system, the people aren’t entirely blameless.

            And no it’s not the same as Hitler, he was (barely) elected and then seized power and did away with the democracy, so it’s not like the German people could have just voted him out (not that they would have).

            We (humans) have already settled this anyway. Read The Banality of Evil to understand why the German people are absolutely not blameless, and it’s perfectly acceptable to criticize them as individuals.

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              Yo don’t judge people based on where they’re born, jfc.

  • @[email protected]
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    Isn’t there a word for when people go to a foreign country and attack the locals? Feels like it’s right on the tip of my tongue…

  • @Linkerbaan
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    Why are these Nazis even allowed in?

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      because they disguise themselves as Jews

  • prole
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    Careful, they might try to steal your home while they’re there.

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      Coimbra is traditionally an academic city. The demonstrators were very peaceful. Had they done this in Porto, for example, it could’ve earn them a beating.

      Portuguese peope are very good hosts, but you don’t enter someone’s “home” and tell them what to do. It’s one of the most insulting things you can do as a visitor. And you don’t tell us to “go to Africa”. Honestly I’m surprised some old lady didn’t came with a broom and sweep their asses into next week.

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      I’m just waiting for the follow up of this headline now. “Israeli tourists attacking pro-Palestine supporters killed in attack, told to go home”.

    • @Aceticon
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      “This is my place, my place”

      “Your place is is Africa! In Africa! Not here”

      Shouts the Russian Israeli in a Portuguese square to the Portuguese demonstrating there against the actions of the nation he chose to live in.

      Wow, just wow.

    • Dr. Moose
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      Ok watching the video and where’s the assault? What a clickbait dude

      • @spirinolasOP
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        Watch again. You can clearly see a scuffle and the racist tirade. The major assault and spitting happened before. That’s when they started filming. Read the news piece. The police came and there were multiple witnesses, including people not part of the demonstration.

        • Dr. Moose
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          Eh the article makes it sound like its a more serious attack than a retirement home scuffle

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    The two question zionists need to be explicitly asked are:

    1. Hypothetically, do they even believe it would ever be possible for Israel to commit genocide?
    2. If so, what characteristics would it need to have in order to qualify as genocide?

    If they answer no to the first one, they expose their complete bias and therefore unable to even argue their position effectively.

    If they answer yes, then they have to explain why the genocidal traits of what Israel are doing are not genocide, which might hopefully make them more introspective.

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    Send them home!

  • @Sweetpeaches69
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    Wow, heart warming. Turns out the real terrorists were the Israelis we met along the way ❤