Months after some Israelis started to protest against aid lorries entering Gaza at the main Kerem Shalom crossing, the battle has moved to other key junctions, where rival groups of activists do their best to block or protect aid convoys.
Right-wing activists, including Jewish settlers living in the occupied West Bank, have uploaded dozens of videos of crowds, including some very young children, hurling food onto the ground and stamping on boxes of aid.
In one video, a group of jubilant protesters dance and celebrate on top of a looted lorry.
In another, one of the stranded lorries is ablaze.
In the West Bank, at least two drivers who were not carrying goods bound for Gaza were dragged from their cabs and beaten.
Other videos show Israeli vigilantes stopping lorries in Jerusalem and demanding that drivers show papers proving they are not transporting aid to Gaza. Their faces are uncovered and they appear to be acting with complete impunity.
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This is a direct result of a fascist (Ben Gvir) being the minister of “national security”. This guy wasn’t allowed to serve in the IDF due to his involvment with groups designated by the Israeli government as terrorists.
Bibi literally allied with fucking terrorists to stay in power.
Holy shit
Ben Gvir was known to have a portrait in his living room of Baruch Goldstein, a Jewish extremist and Israeli-American mass murderer who massacred 29 Palestinian Muslim worshipers and wounded 125 others in the 1994 Cave of the Patriarchs massacre in Hebron.
In December 2021, Ben-Gvir was investigated after a video surfaced of him pulling a handgun on Arab security guards during a parking dispute in the underground garage of the Expo Tel Aviv conference center. The guards asked Ben-Gvir to move his vehicle as he was parked in a prohibited space. He then drew a pistol and brandished it at the guards.
In early October 2023, following the arrest of 5 ultra-Orthodox Heredi Jews for spitting at Christians and outside churches, Ben-Gvir said it was “not a criminal case” following arrests.[60] Prior to entering politics, he defended Jews spitting at Christians as “an ancient Jewish custom”.
“My right, my wife’s, my children’s, to roam the roads of Judea and Samaria are more important than the right of movement of the Arabs," said Mr Ben Gvir, using a biblical term for the West Bank.
He then addressed Mohammad Magadli, an Arab Israeli journalist in the studio, saying: “Sorry Mohammad, but this is the reality, that’s the truth. My right for life comes before their right to movement.”
BBC. He has a number of repugnant views. There won’t be peace until BB’s cabinet is out of power.
Wtf. Dude literally said “my family’s right to movement is more important than yours” and then turns it into “right for life vs freedom of movement”.
I mean it sounds wildly out of context. Probably is.
Probably not.
This guy wasn’t allowed to serve in the IDF due to his involvment with groups designated by the Israeli government as terrorists.
As bad as the IDF is, I can’t even imagine how much worse the IDF would be if they let actual terrorists in its ranks.
They already are terrorists they are already killing a huge amount of innocent for a political end. It’s exactly how terrorism is defined.
Dude if they were to kill indiscriminately then yeah, but 1:2 terrorist:civillian numbers sure as heck doesn’t sound indiscriminate.
Terrorists call ahead and tell civilians to get out of the way?
Maybe if even a few of the civilians could point out the Hamas members, say where the tunnels are, and we could have this all wrapped up by about Thursday of next week. No, inconcievable!
How is such prideful “martyrdom” not a wilful choice?
They bombed every place israel said was safe
Nah, not really. Common misconception. They didn’t say go south and you will be safe in the first stage of the war. They said go south, and also don’t go near anybody who’s in Hamas or near any of the tunnels. If you went South, and you stood on top of a tunnel, or stood in the room with your buddies in Hamas, well then explosions happened.
When you live in an open-air prison you tend to hate the guards.
The suicide bombings came long before the militarized border.
You posed a hypothetical. I posed an answer. I’m not going to respond to a strawman like this other than to point out that it’s a strawman. This conflict didn’t start yesterday. It’s like saying the Apache attacks started before Indian Removal. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s genocide.
I mean if the terrorists destroy the cell networks used to deliver that warning and deprive the area of fuel so the old and sick can’t move in time and often give wrong or confusing evacuation instructions, then yes, terrorists would do exactly that.
I mean they are letting fuel in and the cell networks do work. The area is 25 miles wide. Three new diesel power desolinizations plants open this year in Gaza. Maybe you got tricked?
Wild to mention the desalination where there is an acute lack of potable water in Gaza right now. And why the hell are the diesel powered in the first place, does it have to do with the lack of un-bombed power plants?
It was more of a “You’re management material” type situation.
It’s despicable behavior like this that makes it really hard to convince people that it’s only their fascist government that’s atrocious and should be sanctioned.
They’re really not making a good case for not being treated exactly like Apartheid South Africa and Putin’s Russia…
The only reason, and sadly the reason why they will get away with this for some more time for sure, is that the U.S. has pledged unconditional support. The whole west has to now tip toe around the fact that they very much watch a nation commit genocide without sanctioning the shit out of them. Germany has it easy cause we can always say “as former nazis we can not do anything but crawl up isreals butt”.
Please don’t lump all Israelis together with a small group of extremists which are currently supported by our fascistic government.
This is no different to saying all Palestinians are bad and should be sanctioned because of Hamas.
Please don’t lump all Israelis together with a small group of extremists which are currently supported by our fascistic government.
I’m not. I’m saying that these extremists make the others look bad to the point that it’s difficult for non-absolutists such as myself to argue against collective punishment. Apologies if I was unclear.
This is no different to saying all Palestinians are bad and should be sanctioned because of Hamas.
Yeah it is. Whereas Palestinians are resisting (sometimes in less than optimal ways) a genocidal occupation force, these Israelis are safe and still trying to help that same force starve innocent civilians to death. That’s VERY different.
(about the last part, comparing extremists israelis and Gazans)
Dude that’s just bullshit. First, these Israelis absolutely have a reason to fight. They have kidnapped civilians held in captive under god knows what conditions.
Second, you’re comparing people who block aid trucks to people who raped and slaughtered families. Think about what type of person it takes to do either of these, then realize who you’re excusing.
Both extremists are despicable, but coloring Palestinian extremists as “resisting” (raping and abusing bodies) and Israelis as genocidal is plain hypocritical. Both extremists are genocidal, with one side being more barbaric. We should condemn both, and not make excuses for both.
But since you’re providing excuses for one side (“resisting”) I wanted to provide the excuse for the other side. Which tbh, is a better excuse, since it can actually possibly get them results (getting the kidnapped back is an option, exterminating all jews is less so).
They have kidnapped civilians held in captive under god knows what conditions.
Same goes for Israel and their hundreds if not thousands of baseless arrests of Palestinians who they then often torture. We never hear about them, though, since they don’t have a PR budget or indeed anything.
Second, you’re comparing people who block aid trucks to people who raped and slaughtered families.
Nope, I didn’t compare those civilian Israeli people to the IDF.
Think about what type of person it takes to do either of these, then realize who you’re excusing.
All whataboutism aside, it have never said anything positive about Hamas and their terrorism. Palestinians ≠ Hamas.
You, on the other hand, are excusing the IDF, whose atrocities are just as barbaric as those of Hamas and who are an occupation force.
Both extremists are despicable, but coloring Palestinian extremists as “resisting”
Again, I was talking about the favorite victims of the IDF, not Hamas
raping and abusing bodies
Why do you keep pivoting to the IDF?
Israelis as genocidal is plain hypocritical.
Nope, the IDF and other parts of the Israeli government are by the official definition committing genocide. That’s not just an opinion or a matter under review, that’s a fact.
And again Palestinians ≠ Hamas
Both extremists are genocidal
No. That’s not how genocide works. Saying “death to Israel” and then committing an enormous one day atrocity isn’t a genocide. Absolutely unforgivably barbaric, yes, but not genocide.
with one side being more barbaric
Not really, no. Both of the active sides are about equally barbaric. One is more in the wrong, though, because that one has all the power to stop the bloodshed. The one you consider less barbaric, in case you wonder.
We should condemn both
That’s what I’m doing
and not make excuses for both.
Please take your own advice.
But since you’re providing excuses for one side (“resisting”)
As I’ve pointed out many times i don’t, never have and never will consider terrorism legitimate resistance. So no, I’m not.
I wanted to provide the excuse for the other side
So it’s ok for you to be a hypocrite if you accuse me of hypocrisy first? 🙄
Which tbh, is a better excuse
No, it’s not. The Israeli people care about the hostages, but Netanyahu and the IDF don’t. Their indiscriminate destruction is a greater danger to them than their captors and the IDF has murdered at least two of them already.
since it can actually possibly get them results
No. Only result they’re going for is to murder or expel as many Palestinians alive they can get away with and then take the territory for themselves. They’ve already started “resettling” Gaza.
getting the kidnapped back is an option
Not one that Netanyahu and the IDF consider more important than murder and conquest.
exterminating all jews is less so
That was always hateful rhetoric rather than a literal goal.
Extermination and displacement of all Palestinians, though? THAT’S something that can and likely WILL happen if nobody stops the genocidal apartheid regime.
Lots to reply here so I’ll just focus on some points I want to stress
First, lumping the IDF with the Israeli government is very wrong, and shows you have no real idea of how that military works. It’s like blaming the german army of genocide in WW2 instead of the nazi regime. The IDF really do their best to hurt as few civilians they can, and only target threatening targets in Gaza. The IDF is not commiting genocide, according to the definition, by the simple fact that it isn’t targeting genocidal goals. Yes, it dislocates and even kills civillians, but none are intentional or targeted, and they literally give up the element of surprise (something which 100% costs them military lives) in order to evacuate civilians before an invasion/bombing. As an army, it’s outstandingly humane.
Another point about the IDF, with regards to barbarism. You should really look at what Hamas did on oct.7, and try to compare it to how the IDF works. Comparing the two in terms of barbarism is really nuts.
The Israeli government tho on the other hand, are pretty much just as you say. If you allowed Ben Gvir to do as he pleases, we’d have a legit genocide of 2 million dead Gazans. The difference is that Israel has a functioning court of law (which Netanyahu a.k.a putin2.0 tried to weaken), and an actual opposition in their Parliament, which prevents them from acting on those genocidal plans (not 100% works tho, as we’ve seen in the start of the war where no aid trucks arrived at Gaza)
Oh and about the kidnapped vs palestinians arrests, don’t compare people who commit (or try to commit) terrorism to people who simply lived in a Kibutz/partied in the Nova.
Finally, Hamas is completely genocidal. Their lack of means of acting on that will, doesn’t make them less genocidal. Their “exterminate all jews” rhetoric is definitely a literal goal, considering the act of oct.7, which the main plan was sieging cities/Kibbutzim and killing/kidnapping their residence. It wasn’t just “a hateful rhetoric” it was a well planned extermination of the civilians, which sadly worked brilliantly.
The IDF really do their best to hurt as few civilians they can, and only target threatening targets in Gaza.
Patently false. They target civilian infrastructure, aid workers, journalists and Healthcare workers.
The IDF is not commiting genocide, according to the definition, by the simple fact that it isn’t targeting genocidal goals.
Another flat out lie, see above.
Yes, it dislocates and even kills civillians, but none are intentional or targeted
evacuate civilians before an invasion/bombing
AKA forced relocation, which is another war crime. Think Trail of Tears. Besides, they even bomb “safe zones” that they told Palestinians to go to!
As an army, it’s outstandingly humane.
Your biggest lie yet.
Another point about the IDF, with regards to barbarism. You should really look at what Hamas did on oct.7, and try to compare it to how the IDF works.
I have. October 7th wad absolutely incredibly monstrous. The reply from the IDF and the rest of the Israeli apartheid regime has been even worse.
Comparing the two in terms of barbarism is really nuts.
Yes, but not in the way you think.
The difference is that Israel has a functioning court of law
Not when it comes to crimes of the occupation. Any Israeli person committing war crimes are either not reprimanded at all or get off with a slap on the wrist. That’s why the ICJ and the ICC find it necessary to interfere: because there’s no justice form Israeli courts and Palestinians are not even allowed to HAVE their own Justice system.
Oh and about the kidnapped vs palestinians arrests, don’t compare people who commit (or try to commit) terrorism to people who simply lived in a Kibutz/partied in the Nova.
Fun fact: not everyone who’s arrested is guilty of terrorism or attempted terrorism. Far from it. In fact, the vast majority of Palestinian prisoners are guilty of dissent or knowing someone who might know someone or ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Finally, Hamas is completely genocidal. Their lack of means of acting on that will, doesn’t make them less genocidal.
That’s not how genocide works. Genocide is a concerted pattern of actions, not a wish.
Their “exterminate all jews” rhetoric is definitely a literal goal, considering the act of oct.7, which the main plan was sieging cities/Kibbutzim and killing/kidnapping their residence
That doesn’t follow at all. Especially since many of the victims weren’t even Jewish.
Besides, a terrorist attack, monstrous as it is, is not the same thing as a genocide. It’s not even in the same category.
Basically your whole pov is based on the fact that you think the IDF are targeting civilians. Since you’re clearly set in that opinion, I won’t further that point. Just food for thought: if they really do target civilians… Do you think the numbers would truly be 1:2 Hamas:civilian? If so, then sure. Whatever.
Oh and I’d love a source on that “vast majority of Palestinian prisoners are innocents” claim, since that sounds pretty far fetched, even considering the borderline alt-right current Israeli government.
And I really wish to understand your logic on Hamas not being genocidal… Is firing rockets almost every year towards civilian areas not a “concrete pattern of action”? Also, does genocide must happen towards a religion? What does the victim’s jewishness have anything to do with it?
Hamas wants to exterminate all Israelis. They keep saying it, and before oct.7 everyone thought (like you) that they’re all bark no bite, just saying stuff. That proved to be false. They bite, and they mean what they say. They proved it all too well, and I really don’t see how you fail to see their very really intent to kill all Israelis.
The only thing keeping Israelis from death by Hamas is the IDF. They’d all be dead or relocated (probably dead if we trust their rhetoric, which I do, after seeing their barbarism).
And again, if you truly think the IDF is more barbaric than Hamas, I just have no words. You either haven’t seen the videos hamas posted themselves, or are blinded by hate.
Bombing houses (after evacuation notices, which you call genocidal - I call humane. Do you wish they bombed it without warning in advance?) is soooooo much less barbaric than abusing dead bodies and burning families with their houses (knowingly, and shooting/kidnapping them when they leave).
Apologies if I was unclear.
Don’t worry about it.
Yeah it is. Whereas Palestinians are resisting (sometimes in less than optimal ways) a genocidal occupation force, these Israelis are safe and still trying to help that same force starve innocent civilians to death. That’s VERY different.
Hamas invaded areas which aren’t considered occupied, and kidnapped, killed and raped innocent people. I don’t care if they call this “resistance”, it’s terrorism.
I disagree with your view of the IDF, but even if I did agree, then Hamas and the IDF would be fairly equivalent in this case (except for the fact that the IDF has more firepower).
Hamas invaded areas which aren’t considered occupied, and kidnapped, killed and raped innocent people. I don’t care if they call this “resistance”, it’s terrorism.
We were specifically talking about NON-Hamas Palestinians, though, not that terrorist group.
I disagree with your view of the IDF
It’s not “my view”. It’s the facts of the matter as per international law.
Hamas and the IDF would be fairly equivalent in this case (except for the fact that the IDF has more firepower).
No. Just no. One is one of the most advanced and well-funded militaries in the history of the world and the other is a terrorist group usually firing unguided rockets. While both are despicable, there’s absolutely no equivalence.
Especially since the IDF isn’t fighting Hamas. They’re eradicating the civilian population using Hamas as an excuse.
We were specifically talking about NON-Hamas Palestinians, though, not that terrorist group.
I’m saying unaffiliated Palestinians who support Hamas are supporting terrorism, not resistance.
It’s not “my view”. It’s the facts of the matter as per international law.
Considering the fact that multiple international courts are currently dealing with this issue, it’s not as obvious as you present it.
Especially since the IDF isn’t fighting Hamas. They’re eradicating the civilian population using Hamas as an excuse.
Are you claiming Hamas was fighting the IDF on the 7th of October? It is well known in Israel that the reason so many civilians were hurt that day was that there was a lackluster response from the IDF, so civilians had to fight terrorists themselves.
Also, Israel evacuated 800,000 people from Rafah before entering, why do that if they just wanted them to die?
Even in the current government the voices calling for resettlement of Gaza are an unpopular minority.
You can claim the IDF has no regard for human life, so they don’t care if they kill innocent Gazans (I would disagree, but whatever). But to claim that they try to eradicate them is crazy.
Oh, you’re one of those false equivalence genocide - deniers that think all resistance is Hamas, only 100% eradication is genocide and the war crime of forced relocation is a mercy?
Forget it, then. Have the day you deserve.
That’s not what I believe or tried to say.
You can claim the IDF has no regard for human life, so they don’t care if they kill innocent Gazans (I would disagree, but whatever). But to claim that they try to eradicate them is crazy.
The IDF absolutely does not care if it kills innocent civilians. You do not establish invisible “kill zones” in a civilain occupied area and indiscriminately fire on men, women and children if you care about human life. These zones are so ubiquitous and so ill policed that the IDF killed 3 jewish hostages that escaped captivity, hostages that striped themselves shirtless, called out in hebrew, waved white flags, had large signs saying they were escaped hostages, and still the IDF ran them down like dogs to kill because they violated a invisible “kill zone” boundary.
Also, Israel evacuated 800,000 people from Rafah before entering, why do that if they just wanted them to die?
After months of intense and very public pressure and a first in decades withholding of weapons from the US, and after very publicly murdering humanitarian aid workers that cost Israel a great deal of international support for this war. Even then they barely setup any services like tents, water or sanitation for those 800k forced refuges moved into a “expanded humanitarian area,” i.e concentration camp, all while your ministers like Ben Gvir call for the literal genocide of the Palestinian people to continue.
These are not the actions of a country that cares for civilain life.
Forgive but where are the Israelis protesting the genocide? I only see them supporting the IDF and screaming anti-semites at people that disagree with them.
We’ve had many protests against this government since the war began. And a lot of people in Israel are very angry at the IDF since they are also responsible.
Edit: Btw, where are all the Gazans protesting what Hamas did on the 7th of October?
Maybe because they’re busy trying not to die of hunger and avoiding the genocide coming for them.
Where are all the Palestinians outside Gaza protesting this then?
What do you think is a higher priority for them right now?
This is typical “but do you condemn Hamas?” bullshit. Most Palestinians in this world do not support Hamas. But Hamas are not the ones murdering their fellow countrypeople right now.
Just like for Israelis a much higher priority is pritesting the fact that our government is nottaking the necessary steps to return hostages home.
I didn’t try to say Palestinians should protest against Hamas, I was comparing it to Israelis not protesting against the war.
@That edit was your attempt at some dark humour?
If Gazans stand in a big group anywhere without permission from the occupiers, they can get bombed and sniped and chased with drones.
The majority are internally displaced and homeless. A significant number are now starving to death. We know from doctors - before the IDF rounded them up and imprisoned them in Sde Teiman (Israel’s version of Abu Ghraib torture detention) - the number of burn injuries, amputations, etc civilians are facing.
And you dare to sit there and compare these to the uninjured, well fed citizens of a richer nation that all have their own homes to sit in and organize their protests about how they want their hostages back?
Palestinians want their hostages back too. The thousands of children whose parents have been killed and vice versa want their loved ones back too.They are HUMAN BEINGS just like you. If Israel had treated them as humans and observed international law instead of turning into a rogue genocidal state the civilians of Palestine may have had the same chance for expression that you do yourself.
Try for some compassion.
Why didn’t they protest Hamas before the war? It’s not like Hamas suddenly became a terrorist organization on the 7th of October.
They did protest Hamas before the war. I can’t tell if you’re lying on purpose or just ignorant about Gaza.
On July 30, thousands of people throughout the Gaza Strip took to the streets demanding better living conditions, in a rare display of public anger against the Hamas regime. The following Friday, August 4, hundreds of people rallied again in various parts of the enclave.
Popular discontent with the Hamas regime in Gaza has been simmering for years. Since the group wrested control of the coastal strip from the Fatah-run Palestinian Authority in 2007, large-scale protests have taken place on several occasions, most recently in April 2015, January 2017 and again in 2019. Each time, protests were repressed by Hamas security forces and did not lead to any significant changes for the local population.
Here’s Human Rights Watch in 2019 reporting on the violent way Hamas suppressed protestors with beatings and arrests:
The crackdown isn’t an aberration. In October, we published “Two Authorities, One Way, Zero Dissent,” a report showing that Hamas authorities routinely arrest and torture peaceful critics and opponents with impunity. We found Hamas often holds detainees for short periods, sometimes just hours, but during that time taunts, threatens, beats, and tortures in order to punish critics and, apparently, to deter them from further activism.
Immediately after Hamas was elected in 2006 there were protests and violent reprisals. Surely you should know this.
I was talking about protests against violent acts against Jews (since the first comment in this chain about protests was specifically asking where are the Israelis protesting the genocide).
However, I’ve thought about it some more and it’s unreasonable of me to assume those protesters don’t care about Hamas’ terrorism, just like I think it’s unreasonable to assume Israelis protesting the government don’t care about what’s happening to Gazans.
Most protesters against bibi and the lack of results of retrieving hostage but they don’t give a damn about palestine innocent civilians. I’m not saying that there is nobody really protedting about the genocide though.
The main subject of the protests is returning the hostages (which is obvious, protecting the lives of citizens is the main responsibility of a nation), but that doesn’t mean that’s all people protest about there.
I don’t see anything saying all Israelis are bad. Seems to me you’re reading more into it that what is there.
Yeah you’re right, he didn’t say all Israelis are bad. But he did insinuate that enough are that it makes sense to sanction all of them, which I take issue with.
No they didn’t. You read something that wasn’t there 'cause your confirmation bias kicked in.
Do better.
Yeah you’re probably right, I won’t deny I’m biased on this topic.
The white South Africans did not starve to death when we boycotted them over Apartheid. The Israeli people can stand a few sanctions over their democratic choice to allow openly genocidal actions.
Personally the first sanction I would like to see against Israel is a complete embargo on buying or selling any weapons, armaments, or other military equipment. This would not hurt the innocent but it would hurt arms dealers and genocidaires alike.
What do you think will happen if Israel starts running out of military equipment? We are surrounded by hostile neighbours.
Israel has plenty of their own homegrown defense industry, I do not foresee them running out of armaments any time soon, despite what your politicians may say.
Where do you think Israel gets the materials to actually produce their weapons?
Also, I’m not aware of any Israeli politician that claimed this (there was one time recently where a bunch of headlines claimed Bibi said “we will fight with our fingernails”, but it was taken out of context).
Then Israel will have a strong incentive to stop the Gaza Genocide and trigger the end of the embargo long before it runs out of military equipment.
That’s how sanctions work.
I disagree that Israel is comitting Genocide though, and I’m not the only one. Who will decide when the sanctions will end?
Also, the sanctions against Russia don’t work. Sanctions agajnst Iraq led to millions of innocent civilians dying. Iran is still advancing their nuclear program. Kim Jong Un is still in power.
That’s how sanctions work.
Historically, that’s rarely been the case.
Israel has had since its invention plenty of time to make good relations with its neighbors. It doesn’t though, it just sticks to stealing land and genocide, the founding principles of the country. If that catches up to them, well, they brought it on to themselves. Maybe they should try being better neighbors.
You seem to know very little about Israel’s history (considering we made peace with both Jordan and Egypt, which are two countries which attacked us first).
Maybe you should try reading a bit of history before writing nonsense
Do you also disagree with the sanctions on Russia?
Yeah
Figured, colonizers think alike
Have the sanctions against Russia stopped the war? Or did they just harm Russian citizens for a while (while Putin is largely unaffected), while also causing huge economic issues for many countries which used to do business with Russia?
Russia is a huge country with many natural resources and still has good relations with many other countries; sanctions against it could never work.
I don’t support the war in Ukraine, btw.
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Isn’t a blockade some kind of sanctions?
You voted for this shit, you all are complicit.
I hate israel so fucking much. But it’s important to note that it’s really not all of them. Some of them are good people too, and not realizing this can lead to bad trains of thought. The same kinds that lead to discrimination of my people.
Free palestine. That includes Jews.
Tell that to people who hate Russians, even when everyone knows that there’s no democracy in Russia.
Only 34% of Israelis voted for this government in the last election.
70.63% of Israelis voted in the last election (and it’s worth noting that around 85% of ultra orthodox Jews in Israel voted).
The vote was almost a tie between the current coalition parties and the current opposition parties (it didn’t end up being a tie due to dumb disagreements between two small left-wing parties, which led to one not passing the threshold at all this time around).
Likud got 23.41% of the votes. Yesh Atid (Yair Lapid’s party) got 17.79%. 10.84% went to Religious Zionism (Ben Gvir and Smotrich’s party). 9.08% went to Ganz’s party. 8.25% went to the Sephardic ultra orthodox party, 5.88% went to the Ashkenazi one. 4.48% went to Yisrael Beiteinu (Liberman’s party). The United Arab List got 4.07%. Hadash (far left party) got 3.75% of the vote. Labor got 3.69%. Merez (a left wing party) and Balad (a secular Palestinian party) were only a few thousand votes from passing the threshold, getting 3.16% and 2.91% of the votes, respectively.
Often when it seems one of Merez or Labor won’t pass, they join forces (also true for other small similar parties). This time around they didn’t, and Bibi used that chance to create a horrendous coalition which most Israelis aren’t happy with, which isn’t surprising when you consider that it got only 48.38% of the total vote. When you consider that only ~70% actually voted, you get that the actual percentage of Israelis which voted for this coalition is around 34%.
Our political system is a mess, I know.
Official source (in Hebrew though): https://votes25.bechirot.gov.il
Edit: Btw, Gazans voted for Hamas, too.
Edit: Btw, Gazans voted for Hamas, too.
Interesting point. Far fewer Gazans voted for Hamas compared to the number of Israelis who voted for the current genocidal government of Israel.
Let’s see… the median age in Gaza on Oct 7 was 18. The last election in Gaza was in 2006. That means half the people now in Gaza weren’t even born yet.
Of the 50% who were alive then, only around half were of voting age in 2006. Therefore 25% of the current population were eligible to vote in 2006.
According to Wikipedia, turnout in Gaza was around 74%. 74% of 25% = 18.5% In other words, just 18.5% of present day Gazans actually voted at all in the last election.
In that election Hamas won 46.5% of the vote, winning in North Gaza, losing in places like Rafah.
So the number of Gazans who actually voted for Hamas is probably somewhere around 10% and mathematically can’t be above 18.5%.
If you don’t support sanctions against Israel on the grounds that not everyone voted for this then you shouldn’t support Israel’s collective punishment of Palestinians either.
I don’t support “collective punishment” against anyone, ever… The top comment in this thread is mine, where I literally wrote Bibi allied with terrorists. How did you reach the conclusion that I agree with how the war is being handled?
I’m glad that you don’t support collective punishment of Palestinians.
That’s the common ground between you and me. Where we disagree is in what steps to take to stop it. I’m so old that I boycotted Apartheid and later had the very moving experience of being thanked for my country doing that by people who had lived through it.
From some of your comments in here I think you have trouble seeing the enormity of what is happening to your fellow human beings in Gaza right now. In recent years sanctions have been used to halt an attempted genocide in Ethiopia and to weaken the power of the genocidaires in Myanmar. It’s actually usually only when superpowers (China, USA) stand in our way that they become less effective.
From some of your comments in here I think you have trouble seeing the enormity of what is happening to your fellow human beings in Gaza right now.
You’re likely right to some extent, but do consider that not all of what you hear happening in Gaza is actually true.
In contrast to probably 99% of Lemmy, I actually served in the IDF, I even have friends who are currently in Gaza. I know a lot of reports by the “Gaza Health Ministry” (Hamas) are straight up bullshit, I know for a fact that UNRWA has been infiltrated by terrorists (even if people around the world find this hard to believe).
I also highly suspect that either the IDF or the government has decided to be much less careful in this war (when it comes to making sure innocents are safe), which I think is terrible.
But I also don’t see a way forward for the state of Israel without the destruction of Hamas, because otherwise we will just repeat this in a few years, and I don’t think Hamas will stop attacking us even if we are sanctioned by most of the world (I also fear that in such a scenario, a government might rise to power in Israel which is much more extreme than even now).
Gazans voted for Hamas 18 years ago. The average gazan has never voted in their lives
Correct, I’m not arguing this fact. I replied to someone who made a ridiculous claim that all Israelis are complicit, because we voted for this government, I was just trying to highlight that this is unreasonable in my edit, but it wasn’t very clear.
Let me guess… Hamas made them do it.
Not exactly. But if you disagree with their decision you’re automatically antisemitic.
Oh you wait. People will say Hamas made them do it. Every time Israel has done anything people are even remotely able to call wrong in this war, someone pipes up and says that Israel has to do it because Hamas has forced their hand. Anything from killing children to torturing prisoners. It’s all Hamas’ fault every time to those people.
This is Hamas fault. Hamas eat food so we should kill food to stop it from aiding Hamas.
And if regular citizens also starve and want to eat food, then that makes them Hamas terroritzes by association just like how the IDF AI chooses targets.
And omg if the food was Hummas by any chance, then the most moral army in the world should drop 20000lbs bombs on it even if 99% killed were colateral victims because look what Hamas made us do
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No, it’s etho-state Nazis commiting genocide.
Why wait for the food convoy to go into Gaza when you can attack them before they go into Gaza?
There is very strong evidence the truck driver had a Hamas tunnel network going from the engine of the truck to the exhaust.
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My previous comments were sarcastic in case you did not notice
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The only way we’ll get our hostages back.”Many argue that Gazans should receive nothing while Israeli hostages remain in captivity, and that providing aid to Gaza merely serves to prolong the war.In one video, a group of jubilant protesters dance and celebrate on top of a looted lorry.In another, one of the stranded lorries is ablaze.Other videos show Israeli vigilantes stopping lorries in Jerusalem and demanding that drivers show papers proving they are not transporting aid to Gaza.
Other targeted drivers are involved in transporting aid from Jordan, which has to cross the West Bank and Israel before it reaches Gaza.“We’re now taking side roads, far from the main routes, because we fear the aggressiveness of the settlers,” he said.
But after a series of well-documented attacks, some Israelis are fighting back.Peace activists have taken to tracking their opponents’ movements on social media and making sure they’re present at key crossing points.At Tarqumiya checkpoint, where lorries enter Israel from the southern West Bank, members of the group Standing Together are now mounting regular vigils.Tarqumiya was the scene of one of the most dramatic recent attacks.“People in Gaza are starving and aid should get to Gaza,” said Suf Patishi, one of Standing Together’s founding members.“Israeli society should say in a loud and clear voice that we are opposed to these acts,” he said of the recent attacks on convoys.“It’s not a lot to ask, not to die from hunger, you know.”
To help these people that are starving.”As the peace activists sheltered from the fierce sun under palm trees at the centre of a roundabout, passing lorry drivers waved and sounded their horns in gratitude.A small group of right-wing demonstrators arrived but were heavily outnumbered by Mr Patishi’s volunteers.The two sides debated their differing positions in discussions that became increasingly heated.Police officers stood nearby, ready to keep the opposing camps apart if it came to blows.The peace activists have accused the police, under the control of National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, one of the most hardline members of Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, of doing little to stop the attacks.They say there’s evidence that settlers are receiving help from the authorities and point to text messages in which groups organising attacks on aid lorries solicit and receive help from the police and army.
“A lot of times the police were in the areas when attacks occur, but they didn’t have someone to push them to act,” Mr Patishi said.“And it’s very sad because the police should keep the law.”As lorries drove by, two young women waved an Israeli flag but stopped short of trying to stop the traffic.The two, who asked to be identified as Ariel and Shira (not their real names), explained why they felt it was important to be there.“We would prefer that we don’t have to do the blockages, honestly,” Ariel said.
"Both women recognised that there might be starvation in Gaza, but were convinced that Hamas was stealing and stockpiling aid rather than distributing it to people in need.And they were not worried about what sort of image of Israel was being projected by the scenes of aid lorries being stopped, ransacked and set on fire.“It’s time to stop caring what everybody else thinks,” Shira said, “and do what’s necessary to protect my life, to protect my family.”As for the police, Ariel was dismissive.“They aren’t going to interfere if they aren’t certain they’re able to shut it down,” she said.
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Endorsing attacking an aid convoy? You need to re-think your humanity.
