The average person doesn’t understand decentralizing networks.
Yeah, especially all the Reddit expats. Myself included. Took me a while to understand what federated meant and how it worked.
But also what redditors want from Lemmy vs what Lemmy is are somewhat two different things.
Would you mind doing a quick “ELI5”?
I’m probably not the right person to explain it as I still only have a rudimentary understand of it.
Thanks anyway. I’ll read up!
@embrcrndm @altima_neo I’ll just say this: I’m currently sending this from Mastodon. Your instance and my instance both use the ActivityPub protocol which is likened to email by many people.
Whoa shit, that’s awesome!!
@embrcrndm No kidding :)
Welcome to the #fediverse!
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I’m in the same boat. I feel like I get what Lemmy is really all about now, but I also feel like I still have no idea what all of it really is.
Is fun though
The average tech idealist underestimates network effects and natural centralization. Any goal beyond a single entity having over half the traffic is probably too ambitious.
Honestly, this kind of thing should be done automatically by whatever app they sign up with. It’s not something that the average person will really know how to choose.
Because it’s not only number of users, it’s also number of connections to other servers, how many federate with it. Most people don’t wanna use a social network where they have to type exactly what they want in to search it every time. Never mind the different policies about posting and de-federation that can completely change how the network works for each user.
It’s the disadvantage of decentralizion, and we’ve gotta band-aid it somehow.
Oh, yeah, it’s engaging stuffs. I’ve gone through:
- Oh, no, this instance defederates for safety but it stops working for days
- Oh, look, that instance is close to me and I can go faster
- Oh, crap, this instance doesn’t allow downvote
- Oh, shoot, this instance doesn’t work real well with this community
- Oh, look, that instance is using cloudflare
- Oh, no, this instance has trouble with this browser’s extension
The good thing about all these is, one instance going down is not a problem anymore!
It can’t truly be automatic. The other advantage of decentralization is that rules are also decentralized. Not all instances are the same in regards to what they will or will not allow to be posted locally. And they may defederate from other instances, etc. So it can’t be automatic. A directory of instances with summarized rules, or instance niches would be helpful. And just another reminder to everyone, you don’t even need to sign up with Lemmy to use Lemmy.
I’d say an instance finder feature should be created where you rank priorities and it selects a (few?) best instance(s). It could have a default setting to prefer instances with lots of connections, then locality of the server to you, then prioritize smaller servers. Something like that would be a good automatic option, because it would spread people out and optimize performance.
Yes that’s pretty much what I’ve been thinking as well, this CAN be implemented, but it needs to be implemented well and dumbed down to the maximum for an integration on join-lemmy.
There could also be more complex tools for users that have a better understanding where you can really tailor your feed with weighed inputs like how much politics do you want, remove US-centric communities, explore hobbies, etc etc. (I’m dreaming but the possibilities are wild).
That’s the cool thing about the Fediverse, over time it can develop in multiple directions at once, not just what one CEO wants to do. There’s enough internet for everyone to get what they want.
Yeah mastodon has some instance choosers that choose an instance based on preferences and other factors.
You know, there’s nothing wrong with having accounts on multiple instances, just in case something happens on your main instance.
I agree with this fine gentleperson. They seem wise and totally cool and stuff.
The problem there is subbing to all my communities on each instance. It’s getting to be a longer and longer schlep through that community list to find the ones I want. Plus I might have conversations going on multiple instances, which I will not remember to check on or even which instances I have a conversation going in.
It’s a bit of a pain but not the end of the world. I switched my main account on Reddit after 8 years. It didn’t take more than an hour to subscribe to all my subs again. And there are fewer communities on lemmy (if you discount the multiples).
True that
The more mature lemmy becomes the less realistic it will be to have multiple accounts for the same purpose.
Only fair way to do that is to have large instances close for new accounts, so as more people find Lemmy they’ll have to pick the next ones on the list. Making the choice is the hardest part for a new person (most of you probably realize that having done it yourselves) so streamlining that as well would help. Then make migration to other instances with all your “stuff” easy. Perhaps have it so your old account can forward anything to the new one, like email and regular mail can do. The bloated and centralized instances are just a byproduct of an unforeseen growth explosion and can be rectified, plus help future development.
Account migration would definitely help. Most new users just go with the largest server because of FOMO and not understanding fully what federation is yet. Once they are comfortable enough, providing the ability to transfe their account to another instance would definitely be useful. Mastodon already allows you to do that.
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eh, picking an instance wasn’t too bad for me. I already knew how federation worked, though, so I suppose that was helpful. I just picked one that wasn’t too big (cryptocurrency mining has centralization issues too and i knew a bit about that so i knew not to pick the biggest), and had reasonable rules.
There’s nothing wrong with lemmy.world. I think most people aren’t looking for specifically a federated platform, they’re just looking for a platform, and it happens to be federated. In that case, it sorta makes sense to go with the most popular instance.
Until the most popular instance breaks…
Right, but smaller instances break as well. The only solution for that is to have multiple accounts, which doesn’t work very well on Lemmy right now. Hopefully that will be improved
I have a couple accounts, but I only use the lemmy.world one because it’s a pain to resubscribe to all the communities. Is there a mass-subscription-list copy function somewhere?
I find using the Connect app for Android (not sure about ios) makes it easier to find or subscribe to a community, either by browsing by All or using the search bar, although the search function may take a few tries or not work at all
What do you mean?
I think they’re meaning to ask if there is a mass-subscription-list copy function somewhere.
There is https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim
Thanks for the suggestion! It does ask for your password, so are you sure it’s 100% secure? I tried it out, but it seems like it only copied something like half my subscribed communities, but better than nothing.
It’s FOSS you can compile it on your own, I assume it asks password so It can fetch the list from your account
I don’t think so
Is it possible to host my own instance, for me and myself alone? That way I don’t need to worry about my instance being down.
If you have any experience hosting stuff it’s really easy to do using Lemmy-Ansible.
I made my own instance for fun and decided to open it up for the few people who might be interested in joining.
Yes but its honestly a lot of hassle and you would need to be very careful about security and bots
I hope account migration across instances becomes a thing.
But it’s not, right? I’m a Mastodon user, not a Reddit one. So I already migrated there but here doesn’t seem like a possibility, which is annoying.
Me not even on lemmy.
You go first…
Done
When I created my account I had absolutely no idea what federated meant (I’m still not sure I really get it) so I just made an account on Lemmy World.
But is it possible to change an account to another instance and keep the mod status on the communities I have on Lemmy World?
no, but as a mod I suppose you can simply make your new account a mod as well
I personally just privated my communities and left a link to a new community on a different instance.
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One thing I noticed using my instance instead of lemmy.world is that some communities may be empty when opened through feddit.it while they have content (not yet sinced) in world.
Or that coments may arrive later
Lemmy.world has federation issues
The admin of my instance said they are currently accepting all applications. This instance has been pretty stable if anyone wants to join. Only had a temporary outage once.
Yeah, sure. When exactly do they all react on my answers to these stupid questions at sign up? December?? I mean, I get it, no bots etc, but there are other methods. Plain stupid.
Working on an app for that now.
For what exactly?
Thanks for asking. I am in the final stages of allowing users to have their own lemmy servers, to include a mobile app. Lemmy is only part of the offering. At large, I’m looking to bring decentralized alternatives for almost everything, with some new edge features for security and the likes too.
I’ll probably make a post about it somewhere when it goes live but I’m hoping to really target folks on reddit and twitter(now X) + threads. I’d really like to show people that there are much better alternatives out there.
Why?
Things aren’t really decentralized if they’re run by just a few big instances. Its just changing hands of ownership.
True but you can always jump to a different instance. I think it would be better to direct users to smaller instances instead of expecting them to know that it means to run a server. Running a server requires a constant internet connection and a knowledge of good security practices.
Well thankfully my team will be handling the server administration and security. Folks will have options to access their own server at their own risk. 😉
