US tariffs and European backlash have Chinese carmakers eyeing emerging markets.
  • @carl_dungeonEnglish
    -7•6 months ago

    Hard to believe they could be bigger piles of shit than Tesla. I’m gonna wait a good 5-10 before I take electric seriously, right now the cars are just pure worthless e-waste after like 7 years- we need regulation forcing standard batteries and reasonable repair practices and costs before it’s anything other than a giant feel-good earth destroying money making scheme.

    https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/insurance-scraps-2022-ioniq-5-after-hyundai-issues-60k-bill-to-replace-battery-pack/

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/florida-family-electric-car-problem-replacement-battery-costs-more-vehicle

    • ASeriesOfPoorChoices
      6•6 months ago

      right now the cars are good for over 400,000km / 15 years before needing a battery replacement, and getting a 3rd party pack put in for 1/3 the price of genuine for another 15 years is a pretty good deal.

      (and the old pack is 97+% recyclable)

      I feel like you’re looking at cars from 10+ years ago, or are purposefully being disingenuous. Especially with your last bs line. It’s just pathetic.

      • @carl_dungeonEnglish
        -2•6 months ago

        Tesla’s battery warranty is 8 years, 100-120k miles. That’s not bad, but replacement cost after that can be $15,000+ https://carbuzz.com/features/tesla-battery-replacement-cost/

        The link I posted about Hyundai isn’t from 10 years ago, my point about batteries being non-standard both 10 years ago and today is valid.

        I’m not making the argument electric is bad, I’m making the argument that the lack of regulation enforcing things like repairability and standardization means the consumer takes all the risk buying a 7yo Tesla while musk pushes for his 50 billion payout and dumps his stock. But no, you’re right, I’m being disingenuous, it’s totally not a scam designed to line pockets and fuck everyone else right?

        • ASeriesOfPoorChoices
          3•6 months ago

          I know English isn’t your strong suit, but your word salad about warranty is irrelevant when the battery packs last 15-20 years and over 400,000km (250,000 freedom units).

          for example: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2016-tesla-model-s-used-as-a-taxi-has-only-12-battery-degradation-after-310k-miles-221769.html

          and it’s far from unique.

          you also happily danced around and ignored the part where I clearly said “non-genuine” and 1/3 the price, and then tried to talk about genuine and full price. I mean, fuck me, what’s the point of even trying to talk to you if you’re going to be so retarded?

          So yeah, either you’re being disingenuous or you’re a fucking retard. 50-50 chance either way I can see at this point.

          But lastly, fuck Musk, buy a Xiaomi SU7 Pro instead. or a BYD Seal or Atto3.