At this point we need a full on ban of Tesla vehicles
this cybertwat shit is unsafe at any speed.
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-cybertruck-unexpectedly-accelerates-into-home-wit-1851557475
The hubris of the company is insane. People treat the FSD updates like it’s nothing when they’re essentially rolling untested patches that may behave differently and drive into traffic it wouldn’t have yesterday. Tesla defended the auto-close mechanism on the CT (when a youtuber showed it severely pinching his finger) by saying “They were doing it wrong, by design if you’re hitting the button repeatedly it uses increased force assuming something is stuck”. They just don’t have a culture to make consumer goods. They constantly dismiss the design constraints required to be in the market they’re in.
And it is the worst kind of engineers who dismiss that stuff with “omg people are so stupid”. Other (better) companies have worked it out. It’s a reasonable expectation. No ones forcing you to make goods for this market, but the constraints are what they are.
And it is the worst kind of engineers who dismiss that stuff with “omg people are so stupid”. Other (better) companies have worked it out. It’s a reasonable expectation. No ones forcing you to make goods for this market, but the constraints are what they are.
well put. automotive design should start with the ‘so stupid’ crowd and work it’s way up - a tremendous amount of product design is making it exceptionally hard for the user to do something fatal, and Tesla just does not grok this at all.
If it were up to engineers like this we’d all be direct wiring appliances as trivial as a phone charger, and they’d be pissed people weren’t willing to do it. People really aren’t dumb, there’s a reason for the world around us and it takes different folks. I do consulting, and the engineers (who usually call me under duress) always get frustrated with finance. I use the example of that person who got millions in fake invoices from google, facebook, etc as an example. It takes different people, and dismissing use cases is tantamount to saying “I’m just not good enough to build this product”. That’s all well and good for some things. No ones saying you need to make a heart-lung machine an accountant can operate. But like… cars exists.
They had such a huge head start, and just refused to do the real work.
People really aren’t dumb
I think that’s a really wide open statement that’s obviously missing nuance. There is a tremendous amount of product design that is dedicated to making sure the user can’t use it in a way that’s dangerous or harmful.
there’s a reason for the world around us and it takes different folks. I do consulting, and the engineers (who usually call me under duress) always get frustrated with finance.
it’s funny you thought this was some kind of dunking contest, like, oof, you really got those engineers you wily cpa, haha.
it’s not the flex you might imagine.
No. It’s not missing nuance. If you want them as customers stop fucking injuring/killing them. Simple as.
acting like there aren’t stupid people is ridiculous, you’re blatantly disregarding half the population. nice.
and thank you for echoing my sentiment, they need to be engineered FOR, as in, products must be created that accommodate them otherwise they’ll harm themselves and others at every turn.
but you, you’re a snarky one who likes to poke at people but doesn’t like to be poked back at, so, get bent, and have a great day.
gonna block you now.
I really don’t think you understand the point they are making.
It’s just stupid design and should not be allowed on the road.
What also really strikes me about it is that it would be the first thing that came to your mind when designing the vehicle, right, lol…
“OK, if these doors are only power activated and the battery is dead, wyd?!”
No idea how you would consider your product “finished” until this problem was fully addressed.
“what does this do if we lose power” is literally the first thing anyone is supposed to think of from a design standpoint when they have an actuator somewhere.
Part of the problem is that “fail fast” which is fine when someone’s email doesn’t work for 15 minutes turns into “fail deadly” when you’re dealing with a physical thing in the real world.
Yes. Fire code says same thing. During loss of power door can’t stuck closed.
My understanding is there is, in-fact, a mechanical way to go about it. But it’s nothing but a design failure it’s not evident to an average user. A deadly one.
Canadian engineers have a tradition around an iron ring as kind of “class ring” when you graduate (they’ve kind of tried to push it in the states but it didn’t catch on in the same way). The notion is “it’s heavy, but not because of the weight”. It’s meant to be a reminder as you go out into the world that what you put on paper has real implications.
I get down on Tesla specifically because they’ve got… I don’t know, 100 years of history to learn from? Like you had the whole world on your side and you gave us the effing “explode on rear impact” pinto, but without the luxury of saving the victims the cremation costs.
Tesla needs to find a solution or they will be liable for dead people cooked alive in their cars.
or they will be liable for dead people cooked alive in their cars.
Wrong timeline.
