What does your sleep paralysis demon ask you?

  • @[email protected]
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    271 month ago

    Yes. Markup-Languages are a subset of Programming-Languages. Turing completness doesn’t matter as things like magic the gathering and habbo hotel are Turing complete

    • @ransomwarelettuce
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      271 month ago

      I am markdown and latex programmer.

      Idk it just feels wrong.

      • @theherk
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        61 month ago

        If you can write a moderately complex math equation in tex on the first try, you’re a programmer in my book.

    • @[email protected]
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      41 month ago

      I feel like programming language produces programs, and makeup languages formatted documents.

      I wouldn’t consider a formatted document to be a program, so I don’t consider a markup language to be a programming language.

      Doesn’t make it less valuable, though

      • 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬
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        21 month ago

        ACKSHUALLY … markup languages do not produce a formatted document. They define semantic elements of the document. The formatting is done by the compiler (whatever it is in the individual context) based on styles defined by a styling language.

        • @[email protected]
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          11 month ago

          That’s true! Although many people use makeup to do styling using the default styles… Which is… Not great.

          But regardless I think my point still holds, it’s not providing instructions for a machine, it’s the data the instructions act on. But the difference between data and instructions is a blurry one

        • @deathmetal27OP
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          31 month ago

          Do I really have to explain the joke? The sleep paralysis demon is asking “Is HTML a programming language?” And the person is “sleep paralysed” to correct them or do anything about it really.

          I don’t know what else I can explain besides that.

              • @[email protected]
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                11 month ago

                Nearly all the comments are taking a literal position on if it is or isn’t a programming language.

                Idky I’m being singled out for not understanding the joke. It seems like nearly nobody does. And I still don’t.

                • @Jimbabwe
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                  117 days ago

                  The “joke” is that it’s an issue that people feel compelled to comment on, but the sleeping person can’t. Predictably, most people are blowing straight past this and commenting their opinions, but most of the other replies are joking or whimsical. Yours is straightforward no-nonsense. If I had to guess, I’d say that’s why you’re being singled out.

        • @[email protected]
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          11 month ago

          It’s not a logical programming language, but markup directs the formatting and general output of content to the screen. -Is that not a function of programming?

          • @[email protected]
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            11 month ago

            Does that make Rich Text Format a programming language then? Does that make jpg a programming language?

            I think that markup is the data that a program takes as input - but I also think it’s not black and white. How programmy a language is is a sliding scale.

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              1 month ago

              Those are interesting analogies. I guess I’d have to agree they are certainly a function of programming whereas I probably should have specified programming languages (directed by text) but then one could argue that the examples you mentioned are merely a language of buttons and other user input. —"Sliding scale " indeed.

              • @[email protected]
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                21 month ago

                Sorry I wasn’t clear, I meant the formats themselves.
                Writing rich text using a text editor is kind of like writing HTML with a WYSIWYG editor, but just like with HTML you can go in and write RTF by hand.
                Likewise you can use Photoshop to make an image, but you could also go in and set the pixel values of a bmp by hand.

                By sliding scale I didn’t mean wrt how you wrote them, but rather how much like an “instruction” the file tokens (for lack of better word) are. Is it instructing the computer to do something? Or is it data that the instructions act on?

                Sometimes the line between input data and instruction is blurry.

  • wuphysics87
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    61 month ago

    Does HTML or LaTeX or Markdown provide a computer instructions which are executed? I’m going to take the unpopular opinion and say they are programming languages.

  • @[email protected]
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    11 month ago

    Hyper Text Markup Language

    A. Yes it’s a language.

    B. People who write HTML have been called Programmers for decades.

    C. Are you writing in a kind of pseudo code that the computer is going to transform into another form? Yes.

    I think the problem here isn’t that HTML isn’t a programming language. The problem is that we don’t further classify programming languages.

    There should be Platform Languages and Client languages.

    HTML is most definitely a Client Language.

  • @[email protected]
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    -11 month ago

    As much as a lot of us dislike it… I think it is difficult to argue for e.g. python being a programming language without including html in it.

    And honestly if python is no a programming language because you use an interpreter… Then I would love to hear a non-bad-faith argument for c being a programming language as e.g. GCC could easily be viewed as an interpreter too. Obviously there is a difference but is that difference really the difference that you want it to be?