• @essteeyou
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    1004 months ago

    So, wading in here with a gut reaction and no nuance, he’s charged with all these crimes because the platform he runs has them being organized between its users?

    Who do we arrest if a crime is organized via phone call on T-Mobile’s network, or via mail?

    Is it a case of cooperation, where Telegram is completely refusing to help, or is it just a case of “encryption bad, privacy bad” from the French government?

    • @[email protected]
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      604 months ago

      Who do we arrest if a crime is organized via phone call on T-Mobile’s network

      I guarantee you, T-Mobile does not hesitate to hand over any and all data they have to the government. And they don’t encrypt shit, as evidenced by their many many data breaches.

      or via mail?

      The postal service is from a different era, and has legal protections I wish online equivalents had. Logically they should. Realistically they probably never will.

      • @Kyrgizion
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        54 months ago

        But the level of cooperation required means they have to break eee to remain in the clear. Doing that means they lose almost all reason to exist in the first place. This is a no-win scenario.

        • @Pieresqi
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          254 months ago

          What e2ee ? Telegram group chats are not encrypted.

          • @HarriPotero
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            Telegram chats are encrypted. (in transport)

            Only “secret chats” are fully e2ee, though.

    • @[email protected]
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      194 months ago

      Is it a case of cooperation, where Telegram is completely refusing to help, or is it just a case of “encryption bad, privacy bad” from the French government?

      On the same disclaimer, I’m betting on the latter.

      • @[email protected]
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        94 months ago

        Allegedly the former. By “allegedly”, I mean that Telegram is definitely uncooperative in moderation of illegal content, the alleged part is that that is the motivation behind the arrest. I also read somewhere that he was accused of tapping into Macron’s manager’s communications, but I can’t find the article and I don’t know how reliable that statement is.

        • THX-1138
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          174 months ago

          also read somewhere that he was accused of tapping into Macron’s manager’s communications, but I can’t find the article and I don’t know how reliable that statement is.

          So in turn… your comment is just as unreliable.

    • @[email protected]
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      84 months ago

      I don’t know anything about this but when USA calls someone a terrorist, it’s always about money or power in some form.

      • @essteeyou
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        224 months ago

        In this case it was France, not the USA.

        • @[email protected]
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          Do you think those racist colonizers are any different from usa? Do you think they use the term “terrorism” fairly and objectively? Not at all.

  • GodlessCommie
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    264 months ago

    The lengths that the military surveillance state will go to in order to invade our invade our privacy. This has nothing to do with terrorism, fraud or child porn, this is 100% him not allowing back doors to his app.

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      This has nothing to do with privacy either. First of all Telegram is not a private messenger. Secondly, this is a about public forums and groups called Channels. This has nothing to do with backdoors eithe. They are simply asking them to do moderation on chats they already have access too.

      Telegram has full access to this data and knowingly ignores child pornography and other criminal activity. If Facebook did such a thing for years you’d be screaming right now.

      • Jack
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        -14 months ago

        I haven’t seen CP on either platform. How are you sure there is CP in telegram? How do you know there isn’t on Facebook?

        • @essteeyou
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          54 months ago

          I think we all know that it has definitely appeared on both platforms. I think it’s a case of “what did the company do about it?”

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    So they’re saying this guy is a terrorist, drug trafficker, money launderer, pedo?

    It sounds like a reasonable list of crimes with solid evidence. \s