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Bernie on the right side of history as usual
If Hillary’s primary team hasn’t taken over the DNC, we’d be coming out of term 2 of Bernie with one of the most progressive Supreme Courts in modern history…
Like just stop for a second and think about how much shit would be different if we took the slam dunk of Bernie against trump in 2016, instead of trying to cram Hillary Clinton down America’s throats.
We were this fucking close to a functional society
But instead the corporate side of the party would rather lose an election and blame Sanders and the Greens for losing. Same thing in 2000. Nader gave Gore a list of policies and said he’d drop out and endorse him if he just promised to implement just 2 of those policies. Instead of doing that, he chose to lose, and then 9/11 and the Iraq war happened, setting off an unprecedented loss of civil liberties and law enforcement abuses under Bush (and I would still say that Bush Jr was probably worse than Trump in terms of body counts and terrible policies that are still in place).
He would rather be on the left side though.
He supported the bombing of civilians in Yugoslavia.
If there is one thing you can accuse Bernie of, it is definitely not being a good human.
Edit: Welp I totally fucked up and said that wrong and then went to sleep. I intended that to be a double negative and missed the double part. I caucused for Bernie and I think he is one of the most amazing people to ever live. Sorry guys, I goofed big time and I deserve the downvotes for my fuck up.
Can you elaborate that?
Think you’re missing a “nt” or have an extra “not” there…
Edit: don’t worry too much about it, happens to the best of us 😁
Ooof, this is why I don’t play with grammatical structure before bedtime.
Also that’s why you should avoid using double negatives.
But I like living dangerously…just not before bedtime.
Weak troll bait. Great job refusing to elaborate
Great job refusing to elaborate
Some people aren’t on Lemmy 24/7 and can take a while to respond.
To give you the benefit of the doubt, which I don’t think you deserve, homie got several replies immediately. They’re obviously a troll, and apparently so are you
ETA: lmao you’re a fucking Russian foreign actor, looking at your post history. Why did I bother replying to a government bot
They’re obviously a troll
They probably just made a typo.
Edit: Everyone loves Bernie, so it’s probably just a typo. But even if it’s not, why would that suggest that they’re a troll? Isn’t it possible that they just don’t like Bernie? Maybe they’re a Clinton-stan, or a Zionist. Why assume they’re a troll? I don’t see any trolling in their comment history.
Not every opinion you disagree with is a troll. This is insane. The paranoia on Lemmy.world about trolls is off the charts.
You were right!
I had a feeling that the polyamourous Oregonian who watches Supernatural and campaigns for ranked choice voting might be a fan of Bernie.
Yes, everyone on Lemmy except you is a Russian foreign actor. Sorry you had to find out this way.
You might not understand where you are saying such wrong things.
What? How? When?
There’s an alternate timeline where Bernie won in 2016 and restored the middle class in America. Living wages, affordable housing, affordable everything, universal healthcare, and a common sense foreign policy.
I’m not saying he’s perfect. He would have made mistakes. But he would have been the best president since FDR.
There’s an alternate timeline where he wins and can’t get anything through because there aren’t enough progressive Dems in the senate.
So the same as if any other Democrat won but unlike the other Democrats, at least he would have still tried?
Or where upon it seems he’ll be blocked, he goes individually to each of the blocking members states or districts, and campaigns his ideas directly to those who will be most affected, both upsetting precedent and dra international attention to individuals blocking the legislation.
You act like there wasn’t a plan. I assure you , there was a plan.
Being in a position where the entire country hears his very reasonable, very easy to understand words over and over again would eventually have an effect. Even the die-hards would eventually be asking themselves if it is in fact reasonable that corporations are assfucking each and every one of us every single day. Some of them would vote in a more progressive representative.
Would he get everything passed? Absolutely not. But he would get some good stuff through.
Being in a position where the entire country hears his very reasonable, very easy to understand words over and over again would eventually have an effect.
How did that work out for Jimmy Carter?
It worked out pretty well for Carter’s policies, even if he only got one term. Carter ran openly as a centrist, and his fiscal conservatism was very popular. The left-ish wing of the Democratic party started an “Anybody But Carter” campaign during the primaries for exactly that reason. Lots of policies he advocated for got passed during his presidency: he deregulated the airlines, the trucking industry, railroads, banking - and that was a great trial run for Reagan’s followups (and Bush, and Clinton, and W).
But Carter was both too conservative and wildly incompetent for the job. With somewhat liberal Dems having the majority in both houses and universal health care being a big issue at the time, and with Ted Kennedy as majority leader trying to push it through, Carter still opposed it on the basis of cost. Of course it died, as did any other progressive or even moderately liberal ideas that cost money.
What I’m saying is fuck Carter. He’s done a great job rehabbing his image but he was a bad president his presidency is rightfully maligned by both the right and the left. But he got a lot of policies through that he liked.
That’s all really interesting, i need to learn more. I don’t know tons about Carter, but I do know he put solar panels on the White House in the 70s, which is pretty rad. Of course Reagan took them right off, that fucker
Yeah, his alternative energy push was definitely positive, he just didn’t have the political capital or savvy to make anything of it. He admittedly walked into a pretty raw deal with stagflation and an energy crisis, but he handled them so poorly it’s hard to justify cutting him any slack. Telling the public energy is in short supply so they’re going to have to make sacrifices is a losing strategy no matter what you’re advocating for.
In that case, Bernie’s executive orders would have blotted out the sun. How do courts strike down student loans being forgiven under a new legal theory every month?
If i remember right, he said if he won he would go to places like WV and hold rallies demanding senators help his agenda or he’d back their primary challengers. That’s the kind of guts I’d like to have seen
It doesn’t take too many traitors to the party to ruin any attempts at passing progressive legislation sadly. Even if it’s not the usual suspects like Sinema or Manchin someone will always step up, and if they don’t get voted back into office later then they’ll just cash in those connections with a lobbying firm.
And yet it’s a better timeline than what happened when Clinton was too bad at being a politician to beat Trump.
In no timeline would it be worse though.
Ha. This guy hasn’t heard of nukes
This guy has a consistent habit of being on the right side of history.
Politicians hate him for his one simple trick
Thank you Bernie for having both sense and moral courage. I mean it’ll fail to pass because almost everyone else are bastards, but thank you anyway.
I think it helps to force a vote on unpopular things they might not otherwise admit.
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White genocide isn’t a thing, dipshit. Now go be a racist somewhere else - preferably in Hell.
Weirdo
It’s not a ‘sale’. It’s a handout to the welfare apartheid state, while Americans are wondering why their roads are falling apart, their education sucks and no universal health care.
Tell that to the arms companies that are supplying about 5 bil worth of stuff for 20 bil of taxpayer’s money
It is a sale. US policy now is get the hell away from the Middle East. If Israel wants to fight, we can sell them weapons, but we won’t be sending our soldiers to fight their wars. This is why we also pushing so hard for EVs.
As for roads and education that’s actually covered local government and local taxes.
The reason we don’t have universal healthcare is because Republicans consistently block it (they even trying over and over remove ACA). Universal healthcare not only wouldn’t cost us more it would actually be cheaper to what we have right now.
It is a sale.
If I give you $400 per week for 5 weeks and tell you to spend it at my store, and you come in and buy $2000 worth of stuff… did I actually make a sale?
A government is not a business and doesn’t operate as one.
This is why, for example if government starts spending money to improve infrastructure, like fixing bridges, building rail etc it causes GDP to grow. This is also the reason when during recession there’s a lot of projects like that. It simulates the economy.
we won’t be sending our soldiers to fight their wars
Lol sure.
we also pushing so hard for EVs
Lol Part Deux. Yes, America is leading the way in EV adoption while phasing out big, gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs as rapidly as humanly possible.
Universal healthcare not only wouldn’t cost us more it would actually be cheaper to what we have right now.
Congratulations on not being completely wrong in your comment.
I like taxes. I want them to fund things in my community. I don’t want them paying for the deaths of an entire people.
It’s an arms sale.
Okay, I refuse to have my tax funded weapons to be used for any genocide, paid or otherwise. Sorry we needed to clarify.
…using the $4 billion per year we give them on the condition they use it to buy weapons from us. Sooo…
Bernie is a national treasure. His qualities as a politician and as a human being are going be recognized by the generations to come.
If we don’t elect more people like him quick, I’m afraid future generations will see us as all the same.
I hope future generations know that amidst all that is happening, there are those of us who are fighting back, even against terrible odds. There have always been people like that, and I hope there always will be
The ethical compass of Congress.
Bernie should have been president.
I wish Bernie would weaponize the filibuster the way Rand Paul does to block these things. I’m glad his heart is in the right place and I’m glad he does these things, but he doesn’t want to play dirty and it’s 2024, you need to play dirty when they’re willing to.
The problem with using the filibuster is that it only works when you know the other side doesn’t have 67% in the senate. With both the democratic and republican parties being in the pocket of AIPAC, I suspect they could easily get the votes to break Bernie’s filibuster.
Maybe, but I feel like it’s worth a try.
It’ll at least get them on the record so they can be the bad guys in the documentary later.
If anything could get the Democrats to actually get rid of the filibuster, it would be blocking weapons for genocide.
My dude, Bernie did a 8.5 hour filibuster and was coherent and on point the whole time, no phone book reading https://youtu.be/pm6qy_9E0rY
That’s sort of my point…
You don’t need to do that to filibuster anymore. And Rand Paul doesn’t.
Give it all to Ukraine instead.
Fuck Israel. Fuck putin.
Convince Israel that the Palestinians have resettled in Russia.
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I see this differently. For decades US was involved in the Middle East. Trying to preserve peace and of course get the sweet sweet oil. As we know it failed. Peace isn’t easy when the fighting sides’ goal is to wipe out each other.
US decided that enough is enough, and is very open saying that it wants or of it. It pushes EVs and so is EU.
Bibi is trying to start a war in the region, hoping that it will force US to get into yet another war. US is not taking the bait and its position is that if Israel wants a war, we can sell them weapons, but they are on their own.
This is contrast to trump who openly advocates to get our soldiers involved to help Israel.
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“I will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary to defend our forces and our interests against Iran and Iran-backed terrorists.”
That’s not the same as “I will help Israel with reaching their goals”. It is clear that what she was saying is that if Iran or Iran-backed proxies attack US military they will get a “proportionate” response.
How very antisemiti…oh, hang on…
Have we proof of bernies bar mitzva? Show us your bar mitzva card Bernie!
Lets go Bernieee
The Jew Bernie Sanders is ANTISEMITIC!
But please think about the shareholders!
It won’t work, but bless his actual heart for trying.
