Chat control is back on the agenda again and the works is kept in secret.
Now it’s really starting to look suspicious and power abusive.
“Starting looking suspicious”, huh?
Here I meant that their previous attempts were less shady, even though the intentions were suspicious. Now the methods of getting this law passed are getting suspicious too.
starting?
This is from July 11th. Nothing new as of now that I’ve seen.
But closer to October we should be on the lookout.
Wasn’t this just shut down…?
No, it was withdrawn, removed from the agenda so there was no vote, now it’s back on.
To add on this: removed because it was clear the vote would not have been in favor.
Was pretty clear that it would return sooner rather than later.
They will try until it passes. And if it’s stopped in the courts they will try again.
Yeah, same with forcing ISPs to save connection data on all users long term. European court slapped on the hands a couple of times, still not done. Like some kind of undead policy
You guys should bring over some judges from the US courts. They will totally protect your freedoms.
You need to mark sarcasm with /s.
If this is not a joke: the US has the worst privacy protection laws on this planet. Laws in China are almost better. And ironically the worst laws for freedom aswell. There is a reason why we have the GDPR laws in the EU that prohibits any user data transfer to US servers.
You need to mark sarcasm with /s.
I’ll be sure to do that in the future /s
That should be illegal.
- “hey do you guys wanna go to bar X?”
- “no we decided to go to bar Y”
- “good if some of my friends come?”
- “sure”
- friends come over
- “well it looks like most of us want to go to bar X”
Yeah, same as the last 15 times they tried.
so we can’t have secrets but they can?
“Why do you care if you have nothing to hide?”
Government: hides their plans
That’s what I was thinking. You have to submit a request to read the document that wants to violate your privacy, it’s almost like some things are worth keeping private, but certainly not legislation violating that privacy.
Even more simply:
Government: closes their curtains in the evening.
The content of this document is not accessible. Nevertheless, a request for access can be sent to the department.
I will make a request and then post it.
Pleasepleaseplease don’t forget, we must see it!
I have made a request but i dont have time to read if it okey to share :/ it also takes 15 days to get the documents :/
Just check if it’s legal first.
Lmao at people downvoting good advice. I sure hope those mongoloids downvoting you don’t get an aneurysm from their stupidity or something (whoops, almost forgot they wouldn’t understand sarcasm without an /s!)
At least one of your down votes is for being racist and ableist. Could you remove it?
I gonna lose my shit… How can they force it this much
They only need it to pass once, we need it to be rejected every single time.
This right here. We need to do the right thing over and over again, because once it passes it’s done.
Literally how hackers operate.
The hackers need to succeed once to get in. You need to succeed every time to not fail.
thats because they want to watch you much much closer, but still pretend that decision was democratic. so they try again until we are too fed up to care.
For fuck’s sake, guys, c’mon! Do we have to do this again, really?
Again and again, as many times as it takes to get through, apparently
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The content of this document is not accessible. Nevertheless, a request for access can be sent to the Access to documents department.
Shady as fuck too.
I just requested it. Shame on them for trying to keep this in the shadows, bunch of crooks.
Thanks. Keep up the good work.
Here we go again
The children they deem to protect are trembling in fear right now.
I’m so done
That’s the idea. State actors can keep this up for decades while we the people end up exhausted. Stay vigilant, brother.
You are absolutely right. Not doing anything is playing their game.
I got nothing to hide 🤡
Or remember that you don’t have to be a wizard to
Yea but is anything making this stuff fun
So what actual people are responsible for this? If somebody were to dox them, they wouldn’t care, right? Because nothing to hide, nothing to fear right?
the Council is made up of national Governments.
But surely somebody is proposing this. And it’s not an entity. It’s a person.
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for ever” (1984 - George Orwell).
It was a good line but his general prediction was, thankfully, wrong. With caveats, we’re not at all where 1984 forecast we would end up. Humans turn out to be more allergic to oppression than he imagined.
Not yet
It is meant to be a warning
Sure, but I do think he would be pleasantly surprised by how things turned out. Aldous Huxley saw the future better. This is not a particularly original analysis.
IMO Orwell’s real insight was about the importance of clarity and truth in language, as a protection against political manipulation. That really was revolutionary.
I dunno, I see a LOT of what he said existing today, especially the level of surveillance and control.
I highly recommend “Taking Control of Your Personal Data” by prof. Jennifer Golbeck, published by The Teaching Company, ISBN:978-1629978390, likely available at your local library as a DVD or streaming.
I think it’s the third episode where she clarifies how extensive online surveillance is - I was surprised, it was even greater than even my paranoic mind thought.
I can’t see it as streaming or DVD. But I can see it as an audiobook and on great courses plus website.
If anyone finds the video version I’d be appreciative.
I suggest all of us to send a mail to the representatives of our country as Patrick Beyer suggests.
Feel free to post a list of emails.
Belgian representatives:
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What is chat control?
From what I can glean, it’s another sort of mass surveillance, wherein the provider of a chat service would be required to monitor communications for “suspicious activity”
Basically, the government is once again asking for unrestricted access to your personal life “for your own good”
I always thought the “see something, say something” tag-line was creepy as fuck and don’t understand why everyone doesn’t get the same vibe. It’s common sense that if you see someone being harmed or in a harmful situation you speak up. But this is just a blanket “see something” which feels like a dog whistle for all the nosy and paranoid people to spy on everyone and it’s for the best. I guess we’ll have the same personalities in search algorithms going forward -_-
Right there with you.
Sadly, too many people don’t put in the mental effort to verify what they’re told.
I suspect we’re all susceptible to this to greater/lesser degrees, and subject-dependent. I just can’t figure out my own blind spot around this.
I mean, it’s almost fun thinking of how they’d react to my porn selection.
This flowchart explains it well:
SourceText as well? Because then they sure as hell did a nasty little change from their last (failed) draft.
Oh sorry! Yeah it seems the flowchart wasn’t updated, there’s a section on the website beneath clarifying the recent changes proposed which includes this:
Scanning would be limited to visual content and URLs
I wasn’t aware of URL either.
Chat, is this real?
Spam 1 if we should be worried
