• @ikidd
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    143 hours ago

    Can someone explain to me how them having my phone number and being able to find new contacts with their phone numbers doesn’t lead to a whole association chain problem that can be used to repress dissension in countries inclined to do that? I have a hard time believing that the phone numbers aren’t available to state actors. Requiring a phone to sign up seems fishy as fuck.

    Matrix doesn’t need this info and seems to work fine.

    • chameleon
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      143 minutes ago

      It’s not and I’m not sure how that article arrived at that conclusion. Their E2EE crypto is problematic homebrew crypto, but that’s very, very different from being closed. The whole desktop client including the implementation of that crypto is fully open source and lives right on GitHub. Plenty of people have independently reviewed it and came back with a very iffy impression of the whole thing.

      Really the only difference is that Telegram doesn’t publish their backend, but the one Signal publishes is missing a couple of bits related to their “spam filter”, which happens to take in the source & destination of messages and do anything it wants with them. That doesn’t matter for either platform’s E2EE properties in any case, since distrusting the server is the whole point of E2EE.

      • @[email protected]
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        224 minutes ago

        Desktop client does not even have e2e, lol. (I don’t know if there are third-party options that do.

    • @krimson
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      145 hours ago

      Also no way to block people that are not on your contact list. I get a lot of spam lately by scammers and the likes.

  • Angel Mountain
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    156 hours ago

    At leath with Whatsapp you can be sure your data is used to influence your opinions.

  • @PrivacyDingus
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    117 hours ago

    yeah but this guy elon musk said on twitter that it’s sus so at this point who knows? /s

    • @ilmagico
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      14 hours ago

      Didn’t he promote it at some point?