AI artist Jason Allen
Absolute degenerate.
I have also spent some time screwing around with AI art generators. No way I’m addressing my self as an artist for it. AI art can be useful in certain situations such as whipping together a stupid meme to share between some friends. It’s not any talent involved, and it’s not something you should consider as copyright worthy.
Creating nice art is available to anyone. It just require some creativity and talent if you want to love of it. Being an artist is not some basic human right. As plenty of “artists” believe.
AI artists are just the new version of “fractal artists” who for the most part just pick a color palette and run a Mandelbrot generator until they find an appealing image.
It’s not nothing but it’s not going to get you very far.
Some AI artists actually take the time to touch up the image in something like phtoshop once they get the idea they want but there are still problems with the image.
As the images get better though that might stop
That’s a bit more reasonable, as would using an AI-generated image as a kind of photo reference for part of a conventionally drawn/painted piece.
Now do pour painting
sign a toilet bowl
I had a bit making an exception for the value of “fine art” because that can get weird, like “unmade bed with a bunch of trash around it” or a signed urinal.
But I seem to have left that part on the cutting room floor.
If a piece of purely prompt-generated AI art hits a price like a shark in formaldehyde I strongly suspect it’ll be some kind of inorganic AI industry insider self-dealing to hype up the AI art market, similar to the big Beeple NFT sale.
Even when people just ask if “I” made it, I specify the machine did. The arrogance needed to call yourself an artist when it was a prompt and nothing else, ouf.
Thank heavens we have people like you to police who gets to be called an artist or not…
I instructed the Ford dealer to sell me a new Focus with leather interior and aluminum wheels. I am a car designer and manufacturer. I made this.
I’m not getting your point?
Yes you are
You’re posting too much without reading, please come this way to the egress.
It’s not a protected title. Go to town with it.
But it’s diluting the value of it if you carry no talent but want all the recognition.
So the value of art is directly tied to talent in your opinion?
What’s next, value of products being directly tied to their quality??
Tbf it’s more about their necessity than quality.
What’re you defining ‘value’? Monetary, sure but what of emotional value? What’re you defining as ‘quality’? What’s high quality art to you? What’s valuable in your view? I garuntee that’s not the same for everyone.
You think it’s not?
No, the value of art is specific to each individual. A picture made by someone with no talent can be of enormous value to someone because of what it means, the relationship they have with the creator, the emotions it makes them feel etc.
Tieing value to talent suggests that a picture by someone who has trained for 5 years is somehow more ‘valuable’ than a picture by someone who has only trained for 4. Why? What metric is being used to determine ‘value’? What metric determines ‘talent’? Art is entirely subjective. To try and define it’s value is missing the point, because it means something different to everyone.
What are you doing, bro
What do you mean value?
Emotional value? No. Many parents value their small child’s drawings.
Market value? Mostly yes. Especially in commercial art like art commissioned for book covers. Untalented artists aren’t going to be very successful.
So you want them to defend a stance they never took?
Thank heavens we have people like you to police who gets to be called the police…
“All Allen could copyright was what he did to the image himself” - so if he trained the model himself, would that make the work copyrightable? Does that mean midjourney has the copyright of all the images created with it?
so if he trained the model himself, would that make the work copyrightable?
I think if he “trained” the model on art he himself created you might have an argument.
The image gatcha does not create a new copyright. There might be a copyright in the text of a complex prompt (do you feel lucky in court?) Mere “sweat of the brow” does not generate a new copyright in the US, so e.g. retouching work on a photo does not generate a new copyright and photos of a public domain artwork do not create a new copyright.
This doesn’t touch on the old copyrights of the stuff Midjourney trained on to make its computer-mediated collages. Those copyrights still exist.
Does the computer-mediated collage launder the previous copyrights? The answer is “do you feel lucky in court?”
It’s Tornado Cash, but for pictures of Garfield with a machete.
North Korea: “AUGH MY EYES”
So midjourney give it’s users ownership, as do all the other image generation services.
That being said, what you quoted means that if someone generates an image and then further modifies it, then they can copyright it. If all they did was prompt the model and nothing else, then it isn’t possible to copyright.
It’s not mid journeys call.
AI generated art cannot be copyrighted. End of story.
Yes, purely AI generated outputs cannot currently be copyrighted. It’s to be seen what ration of ai vs human is needed for copyrights to take affect.
This is very new tech and the courts are already way behind. A lot of things can change quickly with just a case or two. We aren’t near the end of the story.
Ah thanks for the clarification.
Cant stop thinking about the http://allthemusic.info/ project. Would be a crazy amount of data but making every possible image and make it public domain. Unoriginal therefore uncopyrightable.
