• @[email protected]
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    128 hours ago

    Just wondering, if a project switch to close source from open source, all the donation to the stage when it’s open source will be sent back to the donor or counted as shares?

    • @peregus
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      They count as…gone! Gone to develop what’s been open source until it becomes closed source. As I think it should be, because what you helped to develop with your donation is still there.

  • @[email protected]
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    Whatever, I’m using it regardless of what shitty commercial alternatives tried to be shoved down my throat. If Draw.io goes shit I’ll just switch to ditaa

  • qaz
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  • Aatube
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    2314 hours ago

    TL;DR: Competitors in integrating with Atlassian are not allowed to incorporate code after the change because they used it in free add-ons, which caused the official integration (a paid add-on that is the sole source of funding) to be labeled a scam by a review in late August.

    Plus, the thing was never really open source anyway:

    draw.io is also closed to contributions, as it’s not open source. We follow a development process compliant with our SOC 2 Type II process. We do not have a mechanism where we can accept contributions from non-staff members.

    • @peregus
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      Open source means that the source code is…open, that everyone can view and use it, it doesn’t mean that everyone can contribute to it. Or am I wrong?

      • @[email protected]
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        14 hours ago

        Then nvidia produced Open Source code then I guess?

        (There were Repos, but everything was Copyrighted. Noone was technically allowed to use it afaik, but it was still there about some AI stuff back then)

        • chebra
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          @ReakDuck I’m sure nvidia would like that, this “open source” label is good for marketing. They just want to avoid being actually open. Have the cake and eat it, like many businesses do.

      • chebra
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        @peregus yes, wrong. Being “open” doesn’t mean just “readable”. Imagine an open bird cage, not just an open book. It needs to be open to fly free.

        • @peregus
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          The definition of the worlds open source seems to me that the source is readable by everyone. If you mean something different like @[email protected] said, then that’s something else.

          • chebra
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            @peregus why do you think so? My view is backed by the two official definitions from OSI and FSF, plus the wording of specific licenses. Your definition is backed by… linguistics? While ignoring the second (open cage) meaning of “open”? Quite strange narrow definition, don’t you think? And at odds with everyone who has been doing open-source for decades.

  • @[email protected]
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    I don’t see a CLA so this is somewhat surprising that all ~30 contributors would be okay moving away from open source.

    Unless this was a unilateral decision

    • Aatube
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      Apache is a permissive license, plus:

      draw.io is also closed to contributions, as it’s not open source. We follow a development process compliant with our SOC 2 Type II process. We do not have a mechanism where we can accept contributions from non-staff members.

      This was added wayyyy before. OP is making this much more of a deal than it actually is.

      • Fabian N. T. 🦆
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        @Aatube I don’t see how OP is making it a big deal. That post is merely stating facts, as confirmed by the company representative in the GitHub discussion. Yes, the project was never “open-source-like governed”, but it was technically open-source software. With the additional restriction in the license it’s not anymore. All pretty theorical, but nevertheless true.

        • Aatube
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          “No longer open source” is factually true. However, it gives the impression that they did something much more drastic. It would be much better to just get to the point with something like “draw.io forbids competitors for Atlassian integration from using their code”.

    • LalSalaamComrade
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      2317 hours ago

      Not really - it can’t be used with Atlassian’s products, violating point 6 of the OSI definition - No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor.

    • Vik
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      217 hours ago

      And despite that, if was still newsworthy enough to be posted like 6 times in total 😅

      • @[email protected]OP
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        2017 hours ago

        I posted it to 8 communities because there are 8 communities I am aware of where this on-topic. Some people might be subscribed to only a subset of them. This is the natural consequence of the fediverse enabling us to have more than one community for discussing the same topic.

        • Vik
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          I suppose some instances cut others off as well (I see only 6 total) so you have a fair point

        • Andrew
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          To my mind, the ideal would be that if you, as the person who wants to share some ‘open-source’ news, chose one community that you think is ‘best’ (based on what instance it’s on, if the mods are real people and are active, participation levels, whatever you think really). And we, as subscribers, would do the same. This way, the ‘good’ communities would thrive, and the ‘bad’ ones would wither away. What happens at the minute, is that there’s 8 communities for open source, and there’ll always will be, because they aren’t in competition with one another.

          (this is mostly just a general point about cross-posting behaviour, it’s not meant as a dig at you personally).

          • @[email protected]OP
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            problem is I have no idea which of these communities is “best”, I do not pay enough attention to things going on behind the scenes to have any knowledge of that.

            • @Kelly
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              problem is I have no idea which of these communities is “best”

              Its a bit basic but so far I’ve just gone with the largest population. Usually I’m just after the most activity and that generally scales with population. It keeps things relatively simple.