And every time you add cream to a carbonara, you can count on people from the country that invented fascism to complain about cultural purity.
Oddly enough, they’re also the country that invented adding cream to carbonara.
Just questioning and not the person you’re talking to, but what are the origins of capitalism and it’s alternatives?
Pasta is just messing up Asian noodles and making it their national identity.
That’s a myth. There have been proto-pasta back in Etruscan days.
Sort of. The proto-pasta was either a sort of flatbread ravioli, or there was a dish that was kind of similar to lasagna.
There was nothing like noodles until they came along the silk road from China. Which took something like 2000 years.
Italians taking noodles from Asia and tomatoes from South America to make their new national identity
What about the entire Rome thing?
Fascism was literally inspired from Ancient Rome.
They covered it: slave economy, crony merchantislism, private armies and sections of the government, a “private and public partnership” and an untouchable ruling class and a master race (roman citizens).
Its not a coincidence that both facsism and City-state sized capitalism were all founded in Italy.
Greece pioneered a lot of that.
Well, if we take away from Rome the things they stole from Greece, there won’t be anything left.
More seriously though, I mean to the scale that they did and enforcing it on such a large area of the world for so long providing the cultural space for those to develop but I agree, you’re right to mention that.
Not you, I don’t know anything about you, but its funny that ill usually see people being unhappy about the origin of capitalism part but none, not one of those who don’t like it want to know the origins of capitalism. People who are anti capitalist are often curious but the boot licking lot aren’t remotely interested.
Which, to me, says it all really.
In history, first entrepreneurs were christians… Christianity if not started capitalism, facilitated its development.
Things like “you gotta marry and have kids”, gender inequality, are all principles that go hand in hand in capitalism.
but its funny that ill usually see people being unhappy about the origin of capitalism part but none, not one of those who don’t like it want to know the origins of capitalism. People who are anti capitalist are often curious but the boot licking lot aren’t remotely interested.
Well, that’s nice and all, but maybe you should take a breath now and then.
I know we’re all in an oppressive capitalist system, but sometimes, people speak if something else.
Like when you talk about that cake you made, it’s not necessarily a metaphor for the crushing of the proletariat, you know?
Its ok, I’m using my keyboard to type. So, my breathing isn’t really a factor here. Although, I’m sure it sounded clever when you heard someone else say it and decided to repeat it the first chance you got, regardless of how out of place it might be.
My point, which you seem to have missed or chosen to ignore, is that there seems to be a mental barrier in place for pro-capitalist people. They take no interest in its origin ever. Yhe problem is that people don’t take interest in it all the time and to the exclusion of talking about anything else which is why I didn’t say that and, instead, said something different.
Same place same people, ancestors of about a third of 20th Century Italians.
How dare you link spaghetti with fascism?
Well…
Fasces (/ˈfæsiːz/ FASS-eez, Latin: [ˈfaskeːs]; a plurale tantum, from the Latin word fascis, meaning ‘bundle’; Italian: fascio littorio) is a bound bundle of wooden rods, often but not always including an axe
Sounds like a bound bundle of spaghetti with an axe in the middle would be awfully close to a fasces
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Have you ever shared a kitchen with an italian?
It’s a good thing for the British people that the cameras were rolling
The fascism is magically sealed in spaghetti. When you break them (so they fit into the pot) it will be unleashed and take possession of any Italian present
Oh god, the flashbacks. that motherfucker would set up camp in the goddamn kitchen all fucking night, and talk to his mother for multiple hours.
“let me get some healthy eating done, oh no wait, the italian shithead I live with has occupied the kitchen territories and won’t fucking stop until 1am when he and his shitty gf are going to get into yet anotehr fucking argument”
I should have called the fucking cops on his fucking ass.
Pizza?
Pizza too
technically the origins of fascism trace back to the us jim crow laws wasnt it?
Some inspiration, but only incidentally. Fascism was really Italians wanting to be Romans again. This is why most of the key ideas of Fascism were written out in Latin, or used Latin terms.
Make Rome Great Again
i don’t think its that incidental when goebbels himself said nazism was modeled after it.
Nazism is a form of Fascism, but Fascism is not Nazism.
Italy fell to Fascism a full decade before Germany did.
