• @glimse
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    I voted for her but this is such a dumb, reductive take

    The problem with her messaging was that none of it was actually catered to the working class. Racists weren’t voting dem anyway yet they still tried to appeal to the right.

    I blame the people who didn’t vote for electing Trump but I also get it. Harris was more of the same in a time we need actual change.

    She would have won if the past 8 years hadn’t made people so fuckin apathetic but instead of riling people up with policy promises, the campaign focused on how bad a second Trump presidency would be…that might have taken away votes for him but it sure as hell didn’t motivate people to vote FOR her.

    One of the best things I can say about the campaign is that I appreciated the lack of the Girl Power messaging that was so prevalent with Hilary Clinton. It’s a selling point to very few people since women tend to care more about the POLICY after so many Republican policies have targeted them

  • @[email protected]
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    51 hour ago

    Keep being smug and condescending, and insult your opponent at every opportunity. That’ll change people’s minds.

  • @[email protected]
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    21 hour ago

    Ok, like, I get what he’s trying to get at, but, this is the exact sort of take that is the goal of Republican campaign tactics. Posts like this do their work for them.

    Racial class grievances among working people, on all parts of the political spectrum, are what got us here.

    If we ever want to see anyone to the left of the current Republican party take power in this country again, then campaigns are going to have to learn to directly address the economic needs of working people.

    Retotric won’t be enough there HAS to be meaningful follow through.

    Posts, like the one presented here, are beyond counterproductive.

    • @[email protected]
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      11 hour ago

      It’s very reminiscent of Hillary’s “deplorables” comment, isn’t it? The smug sense of self satisfaction comes oozing from the screen.

      • @[email protected]
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        11 hour ago

        A bit yes, but that’s not the real issue.

        The bigger problem here is that it represents a complete misreading of the situation.

        The racism and misogyny we’re seeing at the poles aren’t justifiable, they are terrible, dangerous things, and I am not trying to down play that.

        That said, they are a symptom of the problem and not the root cause.

        If you never treat the virus, you shouldn’t be surprised when the fever doesn’t break.

    • warm
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      31 hour ago

      Yeah, because apparently Americans don’t look at the actual candidate, or listen to what they say. Trump told nothing but lies the whole campaign, just attacking democrats at rallies. He is a narcissistic bigot, a convicted felon. He’s racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic. He’s a fraudster, a misogynist, he hates democracy, literally said he would be a dictator, among many other extremely undesirable traits you would want in a leader. That’s the entire point people are making while the media are ignoring all that and blaming the democrats for not being as radical.

      It’s absolutely insane that he got elected. Anyone with any sort of critical thinking would not even dream of voting for him.

  • @[email protected]
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    01 hour ago

    Or maybe these college white leftists don’t actually know shit about how working people, non whites and women very much included, feel about anything at all.

    • @[email protected]
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      246 minutes ago

      I am a white college leftist.

      I am also a former Teamster who spent just shy of 20 years schlepping boxes for UPS. I am now taking classes to be a social worker.

      What you are saying is at least partially true, they likely don’t understand, but it’s easy to forget just how young college kids are. The things that college kids don’t understand are legion, but they are there to learn, and I think that’s worth keeping in mind.

      Y’all, we if we ever want to accomplish anything positive on the left we have to start thinking about our tactics. These sorts of left on left circlejerk firing squads don’t help anyone, anywhere, ever.

      We have to be cognisant of who are our allies, and maybe more importantly, who are our potential allies. We can’t afford to alienate anyone potentially useful to achieving our end goals.

      I understand the anger and the frustration.

      I do.

      But we have to learn to talk to people like this guy. Teach them don’t berate and lecture at them.

      We have to save our vitriol for the real enemy.