I’ve been testing it and it seems like a good solution for general productivity and a great option for people migrating from MS. It’s open source and cross-platform, but I just don’t see it in any conversations about office software.
For me, it’s so far leagues beyond LibreOffice. I really need something that works on my phone and syncs across devices, and allows collaboration. OnlyOffice seems to fit the bill. It’s also far more intuitive to my preferences.
I am sure that some people wouldn’t like the fact that the interface runs as a webapp, or use of Java, but it’s strange to me that it’s not usually even in the conversation.
I am sure that some people wouldn’t like the fact that the interface runs as a webapp, or use of Java, but it’s strange to me that it’s not usually even in the conversation.
A point about conversations, rather than the software itself. I think it’s not really at the forefront of the discussion because this kind of software caters kinda to “legacy” organizational environments that want a 1 to 1 replacement for Google Docs or Microsoft 365, which is not the sexiest problem. In the community of adopters of NextCloud (poor souls…) the discussion between onlyoffice and collabora, together with their integration with NC, is a quite common topic but again, most of these deal with orgs and not individual adoption and I would say that’s a very distinct crowd from most “hackerinos” who populate the FOSS online communities.
That said, a lot of the discourse is now focused on moving away entirely from document-based (and even document-oriented) software, because there’s a shared understanding that the problem is in the approach itself, and what IBM, Apple and Microsoft considered a reasonable way to handle information in the '80s, is not necessarily the best way now.
Can you expand on your last point? Where do we move to from document based software? That seems like a bigger change than the change from typewriter to word processor.
Well, Obsidian, Notion, Anytype, Affine can give you a hint of possible directions in this transition. While they still retain document-oriented features, like the concept of Page, they also try to really go for a much richer experience that does away with the limitations inherited from paper-based solutions. Double-linking, composability, fractal properties of pages and nesting (especially in Notion and Anytype), block-based UI, seamless integration of text, databases, and embeds, heavy use of transclusion and other stuff like that.
I would say this alternative system is far from cohesive and mature, but it’s clear some software is emancipating itself from whatever Onlyoffice represents.
Maybe you would find this video interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXiQlLHuK7g
Cool thanks. I get the distinction now. I use Joplin for some of the features mentioned and do like it. Notion sounds pretty neat too.
I’ll also toss out Zettlr, which is ideal for technical/scientific writing and publishing. Massive displacement in the scientific/technical community pushing out the incumbent Google, Microsoft, and (gasp) raw LaTeX.
Glancing through zettlr’s website and docs, Im not sure I understand it. Is it just notetaking software, that utilizes pandoc to build professional documents (via pdflatex)? Whats an example use case?
The general idea is that you use it to take notes on research papers or websites (optionally though it’s Zotero integration), then when the time comes to write a technical paper, you can research from the comfort of your Zettelkasten, directly cite the research you took notes on and automate proper citations with BibTex, write in raw markdown if preferred, create tables natively, embed charts and graphs directly and properly track them using figure notation, do full layout templates in LaTeX, support LaTeX math equations, and a lot more.
Basically it solves the fragmentation problem researchers have had for a long time by integrating all the standards instead of trying to centrally replace them or declare them unnecessary.
I feel exactly the same way. The whole mobile editing patch thing was a huge mistake (you’ve seen the other comments so I won’t rehash).
That being said, I still run it alongside Nextcloud. I only use LibreOffice for Draw and REALLY large spreadsheets now.
Back in 2020, those of us who had been using the community document server were greeted with a notification stating that mobile editing was no longer supported and that we’d have to buy their commercial product.
Some folks quickly figured out a patch. Others, like myself, left with a bad taste in our mouths.
In the end, I can only speak for myself, but I chose LibreOffice and The Document Foundation for philosophical reasons.
https://github.com/nextcloud/documentserver_community/issues/94
Thanks, this is really helpful in understanding the history of the community.
I like it, but am super confused about their different models of selfhosting, docspace , integrations with a million different platforms, user limitations in community version etc.
It’s developed by a Russian owned company (Ascensio System SIA).
the app version also has facebook & google trackers embedded into it:
https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/com.onlyoffice.documents/latest/#trackers
they’re trying harder to hide that now. as of last year, a sg-based holding company owns a uk-based company which owns the original developer, the software, and numerous regional branch offices.
kinda sucks, because it is a nice program. doesn’t have feature parity with microsoft office, but it’s got pretty much everything that most users need or would want. it’s also horribly slow on lower-spec hardware.
Yeah, I was not able to convince my wife to use LibreOffice instead of Office365, but OnlyOffice was an easy sell. I really enjoy it myself as well.
My hot take: of it’s open source and they don’t receive money from me, I don’t really care.
Until you work with anything that might be of interest to Russian services (Ukrainian refugees in EU in my case).
Or you work in a field where national security is of any concern.
On their page it says: "## Ascensio System SIA - home of the ONLYOFFICE
ONLYOFFICE is a project developed by experienced IT experts from Ascensio System SIA, leading IT company with headquarters in Riga, Latvia. Originally ONLYOFFICE was designed for internal team collaboration.
An attempt to introduce it to a wider audience proved to be successful: ONLYOFFICE received very positive feedback from the Internet community. As a result, its functionality was considerably revised and expanded that brought about a high and stable growth of users from different countries.
Nowadays, ONLYOFFICE is an international, open source project with employees and contributors in more than 30 countries. The holding company in Singapore unites our offices around the world under the ONLYOFFICE brand. For now, we have departments in Riga, Singapore, London, Dallas, Belgrade, Yerevan and Tashkent. Would like to join our big open source family? Check how to become a contributor or discover job openings."
https://www.onlyoffice.com/about.aspx
Hmm…you seem to be at least partially right.
“In 2009, a group of software developers from Ascensio System SIA (Latvian-based) and New Communication Technologies (Russian-based) launched a project called TeamLab, a platform for internal team collaboration.[32]” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnlyOffice
This is a moot point for me, same as “It’s developed by China!”
Remove networking permissions from the Flatpak, run it in Firejail, hell, could even put it into a container if you really wanted to be sure.That’s very interesting. There’s a widespread boycott of any product with Israeli ties due to what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza, yet what Russia is doing is even more clear cut but this doesn’t register as a problem for most people here.
Tankies gonna tankie.
Comments like this are interesting because the upvote ratio tells me that 3/30 lemmy accounts are surely Russia controlled 🤘
If your expert analysis of voting ratios has led you to conclude that I’m Russian, you might want to go back on your methodology and rethink it. Check my post history and really give it a thought haha.
so what? europe stirp sanctions from russian oligarchs and also make money by taking gap in sanctions on oil, gas and mineral resources sucking them from russia sponsoring war
I guess by libre office you’re not referring to Collabora?
Collabora is the online version of Libre, and absolutely integrates with mobile, nextcloud, web browsers, collaboration, etc.
I initially used OnlyOffice with my Nextcloud instance, but switched to Collabora with my own CODE server once I realized it was MUCH more thoroughly integrated into nextcloud.
OnlyOffice is also available as a (offline) desktop office suite, so as a user it’s more like LibreOffice than Collabora.
My wife prefers OnlyOffice over LibreOffice, as it’s feels closer to MS Office. Also it’s compatibility with MS Office formats is better than LibreOffice.
I still use LibreOffice for desktop, but I’m not a heavy user. Haven’t tried out Collabora or hosted OnlyOffice for NextCloud yet.
Both are perfectly serviceable, but for the self-hosted storage/office suite combo, Collabora simply fits into Nextcloud better. Which is likely why you don’t see OnlyOffice discussed much.
Collabora is just more integrated. The NC and Collabora developers actually directly collaborate on integrating it into NC as the “official” office suite.
And AFAIK the backend of Collabora is simply LibreOffice, meaning the “desktop” version is: LibreOffice. The UI is the same, too, though they might’ve diverged since I last used LibreOffice on desktop.
Personally I’m not really concerned with formats, as long as I can finish documents as PDFs, and Collabora has brought a google-drive-like experience to my nextcloud instance that OnlyOffice didn’t manage. Either way I was able to do a google takeout of my drive storage, and just plop that into my nextcloud. But with Collabora, actually interacting with the resulting files within the nextcloud UI has been nicer.
OnlyOffice is super easy to integrate with Nextcloud, and was their original office selection prior to the commercial opportunities with Collabora.
Also, OnlyOffice is built specifically for web rending, while Collabora is a pseudo VNC session. There are advantages and disadvantages to this, but they are very different systems under the hood.
Where are these conversations happening? I could see a lot of enterprise-focused groups potentially getting behind OnlyOffice, but individual home users? Not so much.
You’re proving OP’s point. Why not? It’s great.
I have the same feeling
Back in the day it was just OpenOffice and LibreOffice. When did OnlyOffice come out? And, more importantly, did they call it that after OnlyFans became famous for some reason?
Edit: have done some googling and I thibk personally I’ll be sticking with Libreoffice. I can see the utility for Windows folks making a switch but I often find open source tools which do not try to copy the proprietary alternative. Some of the best FOSS like Krita were successful because they broke the mold of slavishly copying UX and tools from bigger companies. Ditto with Godot to an extent.
Btw it was indeed called OnlyOffice after OF had taken off. Their name change was in 2022. Maybe I can sub to clippy and get him to uncurl! FOSS projects are so bad with naming and logos.
No.
I use ONLYOFFICE desktop apps on my local computer, and I love it. My niece also uses it, and doesn’t really notice the difference to MS Office. I also have ONLYOFFICE Server running and integrated to Nextcloud so I can, if needed, open/edit files from a browser.
I am aware of the [dubious] complaints that Russians were once involved in its creation (WAY BACK in 2009), and I still don’t care since everything is open source and on Github.
If someone asks a question where ONLYOFFICE can be a solution (recently, a proper PDF editor using open source software) I suggest it.
LibraOffice imo is the most behind of the three options, and Collabora Office works, but it is in no way similar in operation to MS Office making it a difficult sell to your mum/family.
