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Thought out choice but disappointing nevertheless:
My stance for now is that Ghostty will not support sixels.
Looked at it, interesting, no package, installed
cosmic-terminsteadUses alacritty under the hood, with tabs and tiles!
Looking at ghostty-git in AUR, zig is built on haskell? With 221 haskell libraries.
And what does it need pandoc-cli and hslua-cli for?
Checked the build.zig file for ghostty, seems to be for manpage generation. Zig itself doesn’t use Haskell though
What the hell?
Chill, it’s just pandoc.
But i use pandoc-bin, because i was annoyed by dozens of haskell lib updates each update run…
Cool project and… no screenshots? 😭
Every. Damn. Time.Lol right?
I mean, it’s a terminal emulator; what’s it supposed to show, a bunch of white text on black background?
It supposedly supports fancy features, so I’m curious to see how those look, they also say it’s got top of the line speed, so maybe a screencast with side by side of reference terminal emulator (xterm?) and ghostty displaying heavy throughput output to see the smoothness goodness
It’s ridiculous how much time people are spending performance optimizing terminals.
xterm on a 120MHz Pentium on X11 in the 90s performed “fine”.
Sure, it performed “fine”.
But it was sluggish compared to the VGA ttys we were used to.
Now, if we can have something as snappy and at the same time as pretty as Eterm… 👌
The problem with xterm is that everything else about it sucks. The only other half-decent performer is mlterm which is decent but has its share of issues.
This one feels quite snappy; better than foot.
Every Linux user has the earliest and lowest specced version of the 4k Lenovo thinkpad from back when 4k on a laptop was impractical and a stupid idea.
Assuming you had a pretty decent monitor and graphics output in the 90s, it may have been 800x600, but more likely 640x480, and you’d have been using the standard issue bitmap font with no anti-aliasing, blitted to screen using software rendering. Probably in a single colour, too.
Alas, the problem with that is that it doesn’t scale. On xterm a 4K monitor, I can watch Vim redrawing the screen, paging through logs is painful. Use Kitty for the same, it’s instant, I can flip through tabs and split screens too, and have niceties like anti-aliased fonts and transparency if I want them.
Some people spend a lot of time in the terminal, so I can’t fault them for taking the time to make a nice working environment and sharing that work with others.
“decent” hardware back then ran at 1024x768. I never ran less. And definitely multiple colors. But sure - no anti-aliasing and other features. But also on hardware several orders of magnitude slower.
Though granted I don’t have a 4k monitor so maybe there are issues with that…
Some people spend a lot of time in the terminal, so I can’t fault them for taking the time to make a nice working environment and sharing that work with others.
I mean - it’s the first thing I open… Which is why I’m surprised others seem to have “performance issues” since I’ve never seen any.
The “Abandon all hope, ye who enter here” terminal?
Edit: that was once a comment in the sourcecode.
Hah! It’s funny I just fired it up again for the first time and I do see a bit of flicker in xterm when paging full-screened in vim… So maybe there is something to performance optimizing terminals. :-)
Hm… I don’t see it stating anything about wayland, but since it says “native” in some many places, I need to assume it won’t use Xwayland, unless specifically told to.
Right? Anyone to confirm?
It works natively on Wayland. The UI uses gtk4.
i dont have xwayland, and it worked (though i did not test enough(lack of interest))
What are the differences between all of these terminals?
If you’re occasionally using them, there aren’t any.
If you’re excessively using them, there are many.
Could you highlight a couple, I’m kinda in between with my terminal usage…
Sure, I can do that.
- If you’re looking for something lightweight, go for
storurxvt. These are Xorg-only. - If you want to configure it via GUI,
xfce4-terminalis the middle ground for lightweight and feature-rich. If you are on KDE,konsolewould suffice. You can use these on Xorg and Wayland. - If you want to work with multiple panes in a single window,
terminatoris your friend. Used this on Xorg but not sure about its Wayland compatibility. - If you want GPU acceleration and more features,
kittyandalacrittyis out there. Both should work on Xorg and Wayland. - If you want something like st but pure Wayland,
footis the best lightweight terminal emulator. My current personal favourite.
Fucking legend!
Pretty sure I’m using konsole right now, whatever it is, it came pre-installed on my distro.
Might check out foot and kitty, what I’m using is working right now, but always nice to look into different options.Yeah, it’s one of the greatest characteristics of FOSS. We have many options and endless posibilities.
Glad to help.
- If you’re looking for something lightweight, go for
ikr, i try to stay away from the stock one too
Any speed comparison?
It’s awesome to see a project written with Zig!
They know what they doin. Take off every zig.
And now that song is back in my head. Thanks man :|
Hacker news users seem happy with its performance, so will try tomorrow. Fun with new terminals.
Is there a difference in performance between terminals? Holy hell
Edit: i always used byobu btw
Hey OP, what is the coolest feature?
But does it roll down like Yakuake did before I updated Fedora and broke it? :( That’s all I want.
Yes, it calls that its “quick terminal” feature
Okay, I’m sold.
thanks but i’m good with st
I’ve been a
footuser for quite some time now. However, this seems interesting.IME it feels much snappier than foot.
rn Im using Kitty, I’ll check out Ghostty later.
I <3 kitty, will probably give this a look but I’ve got kitty so well tuned to my liking at this point it’s hard for me to imagine switching
Have got kitty and xterm looking identical, multiplexing is done by zellij anyway
I think kitty is a bit snappier but honestly you could switch one out for the other and I probably wouldn’t notice
Same. Wezterm is good enough so far
I was very satisfied with Bash for a long time until my friend got me using Zsh. I still am not sure i need Zsh over Bash honestly. Command autocomplete is obnoxious
Bash and zsh aren’t terminals. They’re shells.
Different things. Bash/Zsh/Fish/Nu are shells, i.e. a low level CLI interface with the computer. On systems with graphics you need a graphical program to display the shell, e.g Konsole/Gnome-shell/Alacritty. Also there’s a third (optional) program to render the line where you type commands differently, this is called a prompt and there are several different ones, e.g. Powerlevel10k/oh-my-posh/Starship.
I don’t know that anyone “needs” anything more than bash. It’s the creature comforts that sell the other shells. That said, bash has never hung or crashed on me. I can’t say the same for zsh.
I must be retarded. People are excited about a terminal emulator. Why?
People gets excited to see something written in their favourite niche language.
I actually like Zig. I wish something like CUDA was available in it.
It’s incredibly fast, has the features you would want like tabs/splits, maintains comprehensive compatibility, and is written cleanly in Zig. What’s not to like?
I’ve never seen a slow terminal emulator. Most terminals have tabs and splits. Never experienced compatibility issues. Don’t care about Zig at all.
Are these all the reasons? Another toy software written out of boredom.
Most terminal emulators are in fact slow and they can be a huge bottleneck if you run complex TUIs or workloads that print a lot of output.
Ever written a program that was extremely slow only for it to run instantly after removing your debug print statements? That’s because your terminal is slow.
Fast terminal emulators already exist, but they notably refused to add tabs/splits and overall tended to be quite janky. Ghostty merging these features may not be the most groundbreaking innovation, but a high quality piece of software that can drop-in replace something you use daily with some cool improvements is something to be excited about to me. :-)
Thanks, this clears things up. I didn’t know what exactly was making print IO slow.
I don’t use any complex TUIs. Pretty much everything is CLI or GUI. Which TUIs did you have in mind that were slow?
I’d like to test this soon. I’ll look for a modern TUI framework.
On slow terminals k9s can be rather sluggish when scrolling through the lists
Fair. I hate kube though. Most companies run just 10 pods because they cargo cult google. The complexity of it is completely unjustified
I’ve never seen a slow terminal emulator.
https://feddit.uk/comment/14184961
Most terminals have tabs and splits.
Most for wayland have no tabs.
Why is it so funny to see issues with a terminal running in 4k? It never crossed my mind that some folks do that.
Konsole has no tabs?
Yeah, I couldn’t care less what language its written in
